»1587200 Posted February 5, 2007 Report Posted February 5, 2007 If this game truely is a game run by the players, then why not let the players vote on council members?I want this question asked.
jacob hunter! Posted February 5, 2007 Report Posted February 5, 2007 If this game truely is a game run by the players, then why not let the players vote on council members?I want this question asked. !@#$%^&* that.... the council should not be decided by players. It should be up to the highest ranking people to appoint and recruit ss council.
rootbear75 Posted February 5, 2007 Report Posted February 5, 2007 so D+ should appoint you?thats the spoils system.. and it sucks cause if you dont have contacts, your !@#$%^&*edand thats why the US got rid of it a WHILE ago... you should have learned this in history... the merit system works the bestpeople with the most contribution to the community work their way up, (Example: Polix runs this website and he is one of the higher-ups... Priit made the game so he is the highest-up)
»freakmonger Posted February 5, 2007 Report Posted February 5, 2007 the problem is there will be no 'recruiting' council members :/ They have who they want now and it'll stay like that until a lot of them actually quit (and even then I would be suprised to see them bring more ppl into the council). Who was the last person that got put on the council & when did that happen?
SVS Posted February 6, 2007 Report Posted February 6, 2007 If this game truely is a game run by the players, then why not let the players vote on council members?I want this question asked. The day the players start paying for the servers and putting up with how re!@#$%^&*ed they are then they can vote on council members. This is a free game, no player has any rights to tell any of us who spend countless hours and countless dollars financing this game how we should run our zones/servers/billers/etc. This isn't a democracy, this isn't a nation state, grow up.
»freakmonger Posted February 6, 2007 Report Posted February 6, 2007 The day the players start paying for the servers and putting up with how re!@#$%^&*ed they are then they can vote on council members. I'm all for that...
tcsoccerman Posted February 6, 2007 Report Posted February 6, 2007 But i like to keep in mind that it's you're choise to do it. I agree that the people who posted before this with lot's of contributions should be higher than all of us, but we should have some say in things as well. I don't think this made much sense but i'll post it anyways
»1587200 Posted February 6, 2007 Author Report Posted February 6, 2007 If this game truely is a game run by the players, then why not let the players vote on council members?I want this question asked. The day the players start paying for the servers and putting up with how re!@#$%^&*ed they are then they can vote on council members. This is a free game, no player has any rights to tell any of us who spend countless hours and countless dollars financing this game how we should run our zones/servers/billers/etc. This isn't a democracy, this isn't a nation state, grow up.If you go by that, then the people who donate to the zones don't mean !@#$%^&*. They just help pay your bills, and drop countless dollars financing the game. I donated to MG back in the day numerious times, but no one gave a crap so I quit donating. I'll be !@#$%^&*ed if I give money to people who don't even bother saying, "thanks". The players donate, they give money, they spend their time playing your zone, and you don't give them any say in what happens. The way it is now doesn't mean !@#$%^&*. The people who help don't get any respect. They get a !@#$%^&*ty mod job and are told to f off when it comes to the desisions of the zone. Even if you create a great zone, you have no say in what happens with SSC (case in point, Mystic Kingdom. Great zone, great style, does anyone care? nope...) The only way you can work your way up in this game is to get on your knees and give someone head, then you end up with zones like Halo and Desert Storm. The structure of this game needs to change because it's currently run by those who don't give a !@#$%^&* about the people who populate their zone, donate, and help out. Those with the ability to do anything sit in spec and idle 90% of the time while they sit on a mailing list that's sent out to a bunch of !@#$%^&* bags that don't care about the game anymore. You horde this fianace crap over people's heads, but I bet Testtube still foots the bill for the SSCC server. Even if he doesn't, I'm sure you get donations from your players. Either way, my point still stands. No one gives a crap for the people who donate their time and money. They get !@#$%^&* on (another case in point, the forum system that Halo currently runs was bought by me. After the takeover happened schitt took the backup and fired up the forums again, I haven't heard from him since and he doesn't respond to any msgs). People just don't care anymore. Does anyone care? No. Hosts take over zones and completely byp!@#$%^&* those who worked hard to make it what it was. Does anyone care? No. I put 3 years as an admin of this forum in, making skins, updates, adding things to the forum, taking care of trouble makers...I make one "mistake" (I deleted the users with 0 posts and who hadn't logged in in over a year) and I get axed. And you wonder why there's a lack of developers and a decrease in population... Those who run the show don't care, why should anyone else? Those who make desisions in this game have become like a high school clique. You sit huddled up and push away anyone who wants to join, while you snicker and abuse everyone else...and you tell me to grow up...
Mr. Right Posted February 6, 2007 Report Posted February 6, 2007 You know, there are quite a few people/players who were/are willing put in the money, offer serverspace (on a decent server too), and put in the time to help further develop the game in general, but don't even bother after realizing that the council (which suprisingly has control over non-SSC billing factions via the popular directory server) is a joke. One would expect a member of the council to at least advocate the introduction of an updated essential (i.e. a client), though the reality of it is actually the fact that a high majority of these council members care more about their precious zones (which most of them had absolutely no hand in the development of the actual zone initially or in the long run), or some other selfish medium, than helping further improve the game. Irony is that it's the players that are stepping up to help the game develop (whether its graphics, new map editors, ASSS modules, etc.)
»Ceiu Posted February 6, 2007 Report Posted February 6, 2007 If this game truely is a game run by the players, then why not let the players vote on council members?I want this question asked. The day the players start paying for the servers and putting up with how re!@#$%^&*ed they are then they can vote on council members. This is a free game, no player has any rights to tell any of us who spend countless hours and countless dollars financing this game how we should run our zones/servers/billers/etc. This isn't a democracy, this isn't a nation state, grow up. How about the ones who bust their !@#$%^&* making maps/bots/etc to make the zones run? Isn't that just as important -- if not MORE important -- than someone who periodically throws you a couple bucks? Developers* always seem to get the short end of the stick in this game. No decision making power, very little recognition or respect and generally are thrown away once they finish the task they volunteered to do. I've seen it happen and have had it happen to me countless times. It's sickening and is killing what little drive I have left for this game. *I'm not refering to the swarms of people who've learned how to do one or two things in and think that gives them en!@#$%^&*lement. I'm refering to the people who've actually been around to build up zones to the point where erasing what they've done would completely change a zone or this game.
Ophie Posted February 6, 2007 Report Posted February 6, 2007 If this game truely is a game run by the players, then why not let the players vote on council members?I want this question asked. The day the players start paying for the servers and putting up with how re!@#$%^&*ed they are then they can vote on council members. This is a free game, no player has any rights to tell any of us who spend countless hours and countless dollars financing this game how we should run our zones/servers/billers/etc. This isn't a democracy, this isn't a nation state, grow up.ur absolutely right SVS. SSCouncil's Mission Statement: Death to Subspace!
NBVegita Posted February 6, 2007 Report Posted February 6, 2007 If this game truely is a game run by the players, then why not let the players vote on council members?I want this question asked. The day the players start paying for the servers and putting up with how re!@#$%^&*ed they are then they can vote on council members. This is a free game, no player has any rights to tell any of us who spend countless hours and countless dollars financing this game how we should run our zones/servers/billers/etc. This isn't a democracy, this isn't a nation state, grow up. How about the ones who bust their !@#$%^&* making maps/bots/etc to make the zones run? Isn't that just as important -- if not MORE important -- than someone who periodically throws you a couple bucks? Developers* always seem to get the short end of the stick in this game. No decision making power, very little recognition or respect and generally are thrown away once they finish the task they volunteered to do. I've seen it happen and have had it happen to me countless times. It's sickening and is killing what little drive I have left for this game. *I'm not refering to the swarms of people who've learned how to do one or two things in and think that gives them en!@#$%^&*lement. I'm refering to the people who've actually been around to build up zones to the point where erasing what they've done would completely change a zone or this game. That unfortunately is the real world for you. Being a developer is a volitile job. Most developers and designers have resumes longer than your body, just to include their past work experience.
»doc flabby Posted February 6, 2007 Report Posted February 6, 2007 You know, there are quite a few people/players who were/are willing put in the money, offer serverspace (on a decent server too), and put in the time to help further develop the game in general, but don't even bother after realizing that the council (which suprisingly has control over non-SSC billing factions via the popular directory server) is a joke. One would expect a member of the council to at least advocate the introduction of an updated essential (i.e. a client), though the reality of it is actually the fact that a high majority of these council members care more about their precious zones (which most of them had absolutely no hand in the development of the actual zone initially or in the long run), or some other selfish medium, than helping further improve the game. Irony is that it's the players that are stepping up to help the game develop (whether its graphics, new map editors, ASSS modules, etc.)Personally i don't give a crap about the council, not seen them do anything in the time i have been playing this game. (since october 2004 im a newb ) A monopoly is not a good thing, which is the current situation with SSC. There is no reason for them to do anything as they don't need to. The current situation is people can whine all they want about ssc, but ssc don't care, they don't have to, because currently subspace = SSC. Thats the truth. This is where the PSS (PlaySubSpace) network comes in.Essentially we are an alternative to SSC run services. PSS runs the only independant public directory server. (ssdir.playsubspace.com)I'm currently developing SkyBill (a TCP Biller) which when finished will be used to provide the first Public TCP Billing service.
»D1st0rt Posted February 6, 2007 Report Posted February 6, 2007 !@#$%^&* that.... the council should not be decided by players. It should be up to the highest ranking people to appoint and recruit ss council.If you personally wanted to get on the council, this would basically guarantee that you wouldn't ever be able to. You think you know what goes on, but you really don't.
Mr. Right Posted February 6, 2007 Report Posted February 6, 2007 You know, there are quite a few people/players who were/are willing put in the money, offer serverspace (on a decent server too), and put in the time to help further develop the game in general, but don't even bother after realizing that the council (which suprisingly has control over non-SSC billing factions via the popular directory server) is a joke. One would expect a member of the council to at least advocate the introduction of an updated essential (i.e. a client), though the reality of it is actually the fact that a high majority of these council members care more about their precious zones (which most of them had absolutely no hand in the development of the actual zone initially or in the long run), or some other selfish medium, than helping further improve the game. Irony is that it's the players that are stepping up to help the game develop (whether its graphics, new map editors, ASSS modules, etc.)Personally i don't give a crap about the council, not seen them do anything in the time i have been playing this game. (since october 2004 im a newb ) A monopoly is not a good thing, which is the current situation with SSC. There is no reason for them to do anything as they don't need to. The current situation is people can whine all they want about ssc, but ssc don't care, they don't have to, because currently subspace = SSC. Thats the truth. This is where the PSS (PlaySubSpace) network comes in.Essentially we are an alternative to SSC run services. PSS runs the only independant public directory server. (ssdir.playsubspace.com)I'm currently developing SkyBill (a TCP Biller) which when finished will be used to provide the first Public TCP Billing service. good stuff
»Ceiu Posted February 6, 2007 Report Posted February 6, 2007 That unfortunately is the real world for you. Being a developer is a volitile job. Most developers and designers have resumes longer than your body, just to include their past work experience. No argument there; however, as many people in power have stated time and time again, this game doesn't count as "the real world". You'd think in a community where money rarely exchanges hands that the people who are essentially keeping zones (and more importantly, the entire game) alive would get a tad more respect and wouldn't be treated as slave labor/throw away !@#$%^&*istance. Oh well. One can dream though...
NBVegita Posted February 6, 2007 Report Posted February 6, 2007 A point to go with that is that continuum is a game based solely on development at this point.
Evil Doom Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 !@#$%^&* that.... the council should not be decided by players. It should be up to the highest ranking people to appoint and recruit ss council.If you personally wanted to get on the council, this would basically guarantee that you wouldn't ever be able to. You think you know what goes on, but you really don't. I back that up... to get alot of respect... you'll need people to respect you and think your responsible enough for the job... If a higher rank took you in becuase they liked you and you screwed up whos fault would it be?... the one that recomended you Continuum is lke politics and government
Altec Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 A monopoly is not a good thing, which is the current situation with SSC. There is no reason for them to do anything as they don't need to. The current situation is people can whine all they want about ssc, but ssc don't care, they don't have to, because currently subspace = SSC. Thats the truth.Well said.
PoLiX Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 I think Altec, next to Priit and Argyle, has put more money into this game than anyone else, and he has never been on Council, or had any word in how the game is ran or how SSC is controlled. I find it funny honestly. Not that any of them really have or want any involvement in the council, but just funny (and yes Priit is "on" council, but when has he ever been involved in the past few years).
Gravitron Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 The monopoly claim is quite ridiculous...SSC has a monopoly over SS, Priit has a monopoly over SSC (he hosts it!), Alex has a monopoly over BanG/Administration, Trench/EG has a monopoly over sucky newbies...Years ago, VIE zones consolidated onto one as well...I don't see any problem in having three newbie super settings zones consolidate onto one zone; if anything, and if done correctly, it should prove quite beneficial (to the zone/its players).And the abuse/zone killing claims brought by SVS - I shall disregard them; in part since as said I don't know the subject's involvement and details and in part, I believe I'll be excused for saying, due to quite the questionability of source given the who person who uttered them be.I also fail to see how/since when anyone can talk SSC hosts from discarding zones they host by an outside element or how/since when anyone has a say on a matter of a host decided to discontinue hosting a zone. In regards to players choosing the SS Council members...I don't see how a popularity contest, whereas some buffoon brings all his friends (read: blind zealot followers and otherwise !@#$%^&* licking posse) to vote him up, would be any different than the head-giving/abusive/backwashing system we currently have, which has brought about pricks we have today.In regards to players paying for the server...there have been quite a few zones whereas the sysop accepted donations, as well as abused them to their own personal gain and the players never seen anything in return and are by majority being !@#$%^&*ted upon by the Sysop. I do know that hosts pay a lot of money (and by the by, when exactly has SVS ever paid for hosting bills? even though he would tell anyone who listens about how financially well doing he is) and should be thanked instead of spat upon for their generosity. All in all, everyone involved over the years has shown me nothing short of complete ego, selfish agendas and utter inap!@#$%^&*ude to be in an official responsible position of any capacity which involves public service as well as many cases of sheer incompetence.Professionals you are not but a teenager immature mor!@#$%^&*.And I'm glad I quit the game and all this political BS. Have fun in your sandbox, children, you've earned your cookie for the entertainment provided.
ThunderJam Posted February 9, 2007 Report Posted February 9, 2007 Swift did you delete like the last half a dozen posts on here... ???
Ophie Posted February 9, 2007 Report Posted February 9, 2007 AT least he didnt delete Gravitron's sarcastic post. I found it highly entertaining and grade A comedy.
rootbear75 Posted February 9, 2007 Report Posted February 9, 2007 aww i liked my post... imma gonna post it again...It's hard to pity someone who is a cancer to the development of the game and community. But then again he'd probably hang himself irl if the SSC biller should be replaced/die, realizing that he racked up all those spec-based usage hours for nothing.*sigh* one can only wish...
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