Animate Dreams Posted February 9, 2007 Report Posted February 9, 2007 That shows how badly the zone is ran if untrace is an alias of the zone owner. But either way, its pretty sad that they r banning people for silly reasons. It sounds like they are on 24/7 Power Trip by silencing those who speak out........looks like communist in subspace lol.... You're a !@#$%^&*ing moron for even saying that. Communists in subspace? Read up on your !@#$%^&*. And it's his zone, let him do what he wants. Rofl! That's the funniest thing I read all day. Anyway, why are you guys arguing about Dutch? That's not the point. Don't get distracted.
Suicide_Run Posted February 10, 2007 Author Report Posted February 10, 2007 [Feb 09 14:35] Dav1: your ban has been removed after my review as has lids. Ill post a statement on ssforum soon which has a full expolanation of all we have done. See ya soon Well......that msg been sent to me at 2:35PM.....its 8:35PM....and im still banned. Is it me or is there some staff conflict....one person said im unbanned but vili wont give in and keeps me banned? lol Giving me false hope that isnt fun
»freakmonger Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 lol. Dav you should talk to villi first I guess if what suicide said is true O and Animate, you posting that isn't contributing either, so practice what you preach please. Thanks
Animate Dreams Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 lol Thank you for contributing to the discussion.
X`terrania Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 That shows how badly the zone is ran if untrace is an alias of the zone owner. But either way, its pretty sad that they r banning people for silly reasons. It sounds like they are on 24/7 Power Trip by silencing those who speak out........looks like communist in subspace lol.... You're a !@#$%^&*ing moron for even saying that. Communists in subspace? Read up on your !@#$%^&*. And it's his zone, let him do what he wants. Read up on my !@#$%^&*? I read up, but i dont get whats wrong. I may have misspelled communist for communism. Doesn't mean you need to go ballistic over this error. I seriously doubt u even knew what happened at all and went ballistic over someone saying "communist". Anyways....mav, at one point. Any dutch (ppl w/ the "NL" sign in their names) suddenly got staff even thou they never or hardly enter DS. So then, people started saying DS was Dutch Storm cause lotta dutch player got their place in staff list all of the sudden. Its just now u see most dutch people in the upper staff list. Don't comment on something that you have no knowledge in. http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html -- Read up.
Suicide_Run Posted February 10, 2007 Author Report Posted February 10, 2007 Um....No Thx. This Topic aint really about showing your knowledge in communism. If you want to show your knowledge or tell people about go make your own topic about it. Btw is there a type of ban that locks people out of the zone? Since all i get is this msg that tells me im locked out and i should go play somewhere else. Im pretty sure it aint BanG now since BanG gives u a ban id# and u can go around *kill w/ different alias and bots using *kill allows you to enter the zone.
Animate Dreams Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 lol. Dav you should talk to villi first I guess if what suicide said is true O and Animate, you posting that isn't contributing either, so practice what you preach please. Thanks lol
»Maverick Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 Btw is there a type of ban that locks people out of the zone Yes, people can be locked out by either a *kill # or if their name is on obscene.txt
Jericho24. Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 bans will stay. you noobs dont need to know my position on staff. all bans are for DS's best interests. anyone that wants to cause problems can eat !@#$%^&* then die for all i care. more bans are good too. end of story EDIT: I swear some of you guys are re!@#$%^&*ed. If you dont start problems you wont be banned, simple as that. But for those few that only stop by to pick a fight will not be tolerated.
Dav Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 Sui and Lid. The messages I sent you were correct at the time of sending. I had a very long talk with viligante in order to rectify the situation and we had a plan which involved unbanning you. I understand that vili received some messages over PM or something and the decision was withdrawn as a result. I am not sure of the nature of these messages but I'm sure I will be soon. I have tried to do everything I said I would in this topic but unfortunately the issue is out of my hands at this time. I will be respecting the chain of command that exists in DS on this issue and so as jericho24. said the bans will remain in place. (i guess there is only so much a sysop can do).
NBVegita Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 Nothing like some professionalism to get the day going Well at least one person has it...
Animate Dreams Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 Sui and Lid. The messages I sent you were correct at the time of sending. I had a very long talk with viligante in order to rectify the situation and we had a plan which involved unbanning you. I understand that vili received some messages over PM or something and the decision was withdrawn as a result. I am not sure of the nature of these messages but I'm sure I will be soon. I have tried to do everything I said I would in this topic but unfortunately the issue is out of my hands at this time. I will be respecting the chain of command that exists in DS on this issue and so as jericho24. said the bans will remain in place. (i guess there is only so much a sysop can do). There's more a sysop can do. Such as quitting. I did the same thing when in your position.
Samapico Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 more bans are good too. end of storyWtf is that? You can be sure I'll never come to DS again. Not that I was going there alot... but i'll definitly remove it from my zone list, right now. morons.
Suicide_Run Posted February 10, 2007 Author Report Posted February 10, 2007 you noobs dont need to know my position on staff. all bans are for DS's best interests. anyone that wants to cause problems can eat !@#$%^&* then die for all i care. more bans are good too. end of story K thx for answering one question with an answer that a 10 yr old can come up with. Now we know theres at least 2 alias that staff has that can go around banning people in "DS's" best interest. Care to answer lid's question but this time try to input something that has a higher intellect in it instead of just telling we dont need to know jack. I just hope you wont throw some bull!@#$%^&* out about our previous reasons for getting banned.
Dav Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 Sui and Lid. The messages I sent you were correct at the time of sending. I had a very long talk with viligante in order to rectify the situation and we had a plan which involved unbanning you. I understand that vili received some messages over PM or something and the decision was withdrawn as a result. I am not sure of the nature of these messages but I'm sure I will be soon. I have tried to do everything I said I would in this topic but unfortunately the issue is out of my hands at this time. I will be respecting the chain of command that exists in DS on this issue and so as jericho24. said the bans will remain in place. (i guess there is only so much a sysop can do). There's more a sysop can do. Such as quitting. I did the same thing when in your position. I don't think resigning my position would do anything at all other then put someone else in my place and leave me where I can do nothing in future.When situations arise that can be solved through negotiation I usually do it and sometimes its successful. I sometimes feel that if I leave DS my strength in this area will be lost from the zone just as if witchie NL left we would lose someone that knows out bots well or if Viligante went we wouldn't have the strong leadership structure we do now. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses and a resignation from me would no noone any good nor I think make a statement that would lead to change. Instead I think my place is to remain where I am and work with all the DS staff to make sure things like this don't happen again. What has come out of this is the ban guides have been improved and I am now the zones BanG admin so hopefully future cases wont have such a problem but i suppose only time will tell what this sysop can do in the long-run.
Animate Dreams Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 Sui and Lid. The messages I sent you were correct at the time of sending. I had a very long talk with viligante in order to rectify the situation and we had a plan which involved unbanning you. I understand that vili received some messages over PM or something and the decision was withdrawn as a result. I am not sure of the nature of these messages but I'm sure I will be soon. I have tried to do everything I said I would in this topic but unfortunately the issue is out of my hands at this time. I will be respecting the chain of command that exists in DS on this issue and so as jericho24. said the bans will remain in place. (i guess there is only so much a sysop can do). There's more a sysop can do. Such as quitting. I did the same thing when in your position. I don't think resigning my position would do anything at all other then put someone else in my place and leave me where I can do nothing in future.When situations arise that can be solved through negotiation I usually do it and sometimes its successful. I sometimes feel that if I leave DS my strength in this area will be lost from the zone just as if witchie NL left we would lose someone that knows out bots well or if Viligante went we wouldn't have the strong leadership structure we do now. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses and a resignation from me would no noone any good nor I think make a statement that would lead to change. Instead I think my place is to remain where I am and work with all the DS staff to make sure things like this don't happen again. What has come out of this is the ban guides have been improved and I am now the zones BanG admin so hopefully future cases wont have such a problem but i suppose only time will tell what this sysop can do in the long-run. If both you and Witchie left, the zone would die. Vili and Jeri sure can't run it. And if the zone died, it could be brought back by someone who wasn't Vili. Your supporting DS has only lost you any respect you've gained throughout SS history, and it's only getting worse. People now talk about you as if you were as corrupt and abusive as Viligante and Jeri. That's why I say quit. You're not making DS any better as it is now, as we've just proven. You "handled" this case and only got it more !@#$%^&*ed up. I can continue with about a hundred different reasons why you should quit.
The Apache Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 the moral of all of this is: do not irritate people or be plain annoying. no matter how slightly annoying you think you are being. you will end up getting banned/silenced/spec'd or whatever.
Dav Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 Sui and Lid. The messages I sent you were correct at the time of sending. I had a very long talk with viligante in order to rectify the situation and we had a plan which involved unbanning you. I understand that vili received some messages over PM or something and the decision was withdrawn as a result. I am not sure of the nature of these messages but I'm sure I will be soon. I have tried to do everything I said I would in this topic but unfortunately the issue is out of my hands at this time. I will be respecting the chain of command that exists in DS on this issue and so as jericho24. said the bans will remain in place. (i guess there is only so much a sysop can do). There's more a sysop can do. Such as quitting. I did the same thing when in your position. I don't think resigning my position would do anything at all other then put someone else in my place and leave me where I can do nothing in future.When situations arise that can be solved through negotiation I usually do it and sometimes its successful. I sometimes feel that if I leave DS my strength in this area will be lost from the zone just as if witchie NL left we would lose someone that knows out bots well or if Viligante went we wouldn't have the strong leadership structure we do now. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses and a resignation from me would no noone any good nor I think make a statement that would lead to change. Instead I think my place is to remain where I am and work with all the DS staff to make sure things like this don't happen again. What has come out of this is the ban guides have been improved and I am now the zones BanG admin so hopefully future cases wont have such a problem but i suppose only time will tell what this sysop can do in the long-run. If both you and Witchie left, the zone would die. Vili and Jeri sure can't run it. And if the zone died, it could be brought back by someone who wasn't Vili. Your supporting DS has only lost you any respect you've gained throughout SS history, and it's only getting worse. People now talk about you as if you were as corrupt and abusive as Viligante and Jeri. That's why I say quit. You're not making DS any better as it is now, as we've just proven. You "handled" this case and only got it more !@#$%^&*ed up. I can continue with about a hundred different reasons why you should quit. I think we should agree to disagree here. I know there is a lot more I have to offer and will stay as long as that is the case. And If I go the zone will still be alive. It was fine when i left for about 6 months a bout 18 months ago when I had little time for this game. As I See it I am far from done trying to improve things in DS all around and I'm not very keen on the idea of giving up now. I am aware that this is a major issue hence why I have involved myself in it and done my best to rectify things. I find it quite astonishing that I must now post here to defend myself when all I have done is try to help everyone involved. Obviously the outcome hasnt been what everyone agrees with but my work is far from done. Perhaps this time things havent worked out the way everyone here hoped but that doesn't mean I can try to make things better in the future. They say the best way to change something is from the inside so I will do my bit and work with everyone in DS to make it the best zone it can be rather then resigning. Anyway thats my feelings on this subject and i am sure if you were in my position knowing the people of DS as I do and having the working relationship I have there you would do the same. @ The Apache This is something i have tried to say many many times but unfortunately the personal feuds that have built up over the years have overshadowed this so when one person starts a downward spiral follows. Trouble is there are certain individuals that know exactly that will happen and come in to initiate it to cause problems for us like this one. I just hope i can break this cycle in the future (hence my improving of our ban policy and taking on Bang admin being as i am (hopefully) free of these personal vendettas against me and visa versa, i hope this topic doesn't change that because i'm not one to hold a grudge) Anyway as this topic is going nowhere its probably time to lay it to rest and see what the future brings...
LiDDiS Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 Well thanks for trying dav, and thanks for being reasonable and mature about the situation.
Animate Dreams Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 Dav, you seem to be evading/ignoring the fact that Suicide_Run got banned for no reason. You know this for a fact, and I dare you to offer any evidence otherwise. You're standing by and supporting a decision that you know is unjust. While your intentions were good, you're still on the side of wrong at this point. This means you're just as corrupt as Vili and Jeri. You might fool some people with the mature act, but you're not fool enough to think you've changed anything. For all your words, you've done nothing. And to top it off, you've just explained to us that you're going to keep doing exactly what you've been doing. And you expect this matters to us. Come back when either one, you grow a back bone, or two, you become useful. So the first post still stands, DS staff is corrupt, don't go there.
Dav Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 Believe what you want because i don't think there is more i can say on this TBH. I never said i am supporting the decision i am just respecting the authority of the zone owner. As far as doing nothing goes why would i have made the comments i did if i was going to do nothing? Also i wouldn't be a sysop if i was doing nothing and if i felt i could do nothing i would resign. Regardless of this incident i will continue doing what i intend to do both on DS, in the forums and in SS in general. The way I see it is if nothing happens as a result of what i do at least i have tried. anyway thats enough on this crap i think. Time to move on
candygirl Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 yes lock it up. its just getting silly now. Dav did what he can and thats that by by
Animate Dreams Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 Believe what you want because i don't think there is more i can say on this TBH. I never said i am supporting the decision i am just respecting the authority of the zone owner. As far as doing nothing goes why would i have made the comments i did if i was going to do nothing? Also i wouldn't be a sysop if i was doing nothing and if i felt i could do nothing i would resign. Regardless of this incident i will continue doing what i intend to do both on DS, in the forums and in SS in general. The way I see it is if nothing happens as a result of what i do at least i have tried. anyway thats enough on this crap i think. Time to move on You can't weasel out of this. By continuing to support the decision makers, you are supporting the decision. You've done nothing, meaning, you've accomplished nothing. And as for "trying", trying implies there's hope that what you do is going to work, which there isn't. And as if we needed any more proof, you seem to have copied a line straight from Jeri himself. Just because you get backed into a corner doesn't mean it's time for the topic to be closed and the discussion to be dropped. The matter is not closed, so neither is the topic.
Suicide_Run Posted February 11, 2007 Author Report Posted February 11, 2007 EDIT: I swear some of you guys are re!@#$%^&*ed. If you dont start problems you wont be banned, simple as that. But for those few that only stop by to pick a fight will not be tolerated.Jeri, I would like to hear your definition of "starting problems". Is checking who banned who, starting a problem when the check involves only a bot command which shows me who is staff? I personally don't think so. Is saying you wouldn't want to be staff trying to start a problem? I wouldn't think so unless there was vulgar words involved. I dont see any in my SS. It might be trying a problem if YOU think your zone is so good that everyone should try to suck ur balls to be staff Is not telling staff why your in the zone starting a problem? Why would you want to know to begin w/? Its not like im spamming and threating stuff. Besides, you should be HAPPY that people are going to your zone. Then it gets populated and ppl wont say ur zone is just full of bots and afk staff members. Is answering a question from another player w/o any vulgar/racist words involved trying to start a fight? Why would it be since theres no vulgar/racist words involve. Wouldn't that be a good thing? O i get it, u must think im trying to pick a fight after I got banned by posting it here and the admins here wont lock it cause you dont want us to talk about your bans. Well that happened after the ban didnt it? But im srry to disappoint you jeri, I aint gonna sit around and take it in the !@#$%^&* quietly cause an unjustified ban has been placed on me. Unlike some other ppl, I had nothing against me or previously unless its something you guys made up to cover your !@#$%^&* up. Since Jeri has kindly avoided almost all our questions except by saying we r re!@#$%^&*ed. I would kindly like Dav to explain the staff's side of the story since Jeri hasnt been much help. Either that or jeri's way of speaking is beyond my understanding of common sense.
Criznittle Posted February 11, 2007 Report Posted February 11, 2007 bans will stay. you noobs dont need to know my position on staff. all bans are for DS's best interests. anyone that wants to cause problems can eat !@#$%^&* then die for all i care. more bans are good too. end of story EDIT: I swear some of you guys are re!@#$%^&*ed. If you dont start problems you wont be banned, simple as that. But for those few that only stop by to pick a fight will not be tolerated. THIS guy is calling US re!@#$%^&*ed?
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