PoLiX Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 I dunno. Some of it I liked, other parts I didn't. I'm glad to hear that for once our Congress and President don't agree, and they are trying to do something about it. The statement that we will decrease our gas usage by 20% by 2010, I see happening, but I don't think anything forecoming will have any sort of direct effect on it. It's kind of a trend already in place. I know myself, I use to spend $60/week on gas, driving my old cutty (3.8L V6 Carb Auto), and now with my accord (2.0L V4 FI 5spd), I spend $30 every 2-2.5weeks, if that. Just put $10 in, and it'll probably last me 2 weeks easy with my driving habits as of late. Top that off with more and more Hybrids I see driving around, and more Foreign cars/Small Domestics, and it's going to make a huge impact.
NBVegita Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 I think the state of the Union is a good step foward. Now the question will be if congress and the Pres can actually come to a middle ground.
AstroProdigy Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 Well he finally admitted global warming is, GASP, something that's our fault and we can stop! Exxon Mobile isn't gonna like this one bit. More lobyists anyone?
»1587200 Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 Global warming? Is that why Texas just went though an ice storm and San Fransico's temp hasn't gotten above 60 in the past two weeks? Global warming my !@#$%^&*...
Dav Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 actually it may be. The warming can disrupt ocean currents by alteration of sea temperatures. If you screw up the warm currents then the main factor in warming the land over winter is done. This is why there is a lot of worry over the gulf stream. If enough ice water melts into its patch from the arctic it shuts down and Europe goes into an ice age.
NBVegita Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 Actually they've proven that this weather is either El Nino, or La Nina, I don't remember which one brings the cold. Because as the midwest has been hammered, on the east coast we were in the 50-60's for most of december lol. Which is not global warming but the jet streams. Just stating that current weather in this country is not due to global warming.
Aileron Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 I don't like the second hand reports of the event. Most of the people I saw there were giving Bush standing ovations - granted that's probably just them being political. Still, most of the newspaper articles I read about it had implied that it was a hostile audience, which it wasn't. Yes, there are a lot of new democrats, but most of the new democrats are moderates who are willing to compromise. I think bipartisanship has a chance this time around. (Bipartisanship was never going to happen with one side with a strong majority in all houses, and that is no way the fault of any persons, its just a fact of life.) Bush didn't really state a hard plan on reaching that oil goal though. He did have plans two for health care, and two for illegal immigration, and one for education. He stated the usual policy of "invest money in energy sources that are not gasoline" and increasing the domestic supply of oil. Stating a goal that should be met provides motivation and is a sign of leadership, and he has made steps towards it, but he doesn't have an actuall plan in place. I guess its just hard with two years left in your term to tell 300 million people that they have to stop driving their SUVs. Global warming though is always blamed for any weather occurance. It has been blamed for Hurricane Katrina and for the Tsunami in Asia. As for Katrina, hurricanes rountinely occur in the Carribean and hurricanes of the magnitude of Katrina, though not so common, are not of unnatural strength. What caused Katrina to be so devastating is that its path happened to go directly over a major metropolis. It wasn't any stronger than normal, it was just that more people were in its way. As for the Tsunami, it was caused by a geothermic pattern that has been going on for thousands of years. Remember, global warming is supposed to raise the temperature 1 degree every century, !@#$%^&*uming the build-up of gases stays at its current rate, which it won't because stable chemical systems, and more commonly biochemical systems, such as the Earth's biosphere, have internal processes that lessen extremes. (For instance, blood as internal chemistry which maintains an ideal PH level.) !@#$%^&*uming global warming is true, the effects will not be seen for decades. Granted, we have no right to cause problems for our decendants, but the environmentalists' insistance that every natural problem that occurs is a result of global warming is not helping their cause, especially the arguements that stat that global warming is making the world colder. No one will ever believe those.
AstroProdigy Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 This year's weather isn't what scares scientists and proves global warming exists. It's the trend that scares experts. Actually I'm taking an atmospheric science class and the professor said that at the current trend the temperature will increase by about 3-4 degrees celsius in the next century. He also showed how the temperature at the north pole is increasing much faster than the temperature at the equator. That means at current trends the polar ice caps in the north are screwed. Incompetence is why Hurricane Katrina had such a disastrous affect. The extremely busy hurricane season is what global warming caused, but some competence would have made Hurricane Katrina not a big deal. I have no idea what you're talking about global warming being blamed for the tsunami in Asia. I've never heard anyone say it. It's completely nonsensical. The tsunami was caused by an earthquake in the EARTH which is completely unrelated to global warming of the ATMOSPHERE. The Earth's biosphere is unable to cope with the disastrous affects of man. While we increase greenhouse gases we also destroy the trees that would turn carbon dioxide back to oxygen. The effects of global warming are already seen today. They will just get stronger and stronger as time passes. It's not a natural problem in the least bit. No one in their right mind blames global warming for the tsunami. It's not environmentalists who are sending warnings only. It's the friggin scientists who know the most about this. The argument that you are referring to is not that global warming is already making the world colder. It's that we are so drastically disturbing the balance on our planet that an ice age can occur. It's a completely legitimate scientific prediction. It may occur or the earth may just continue getting warmer. Either way it's a disaster waiting to happen.
Aileron Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 Hey, I don't know which group said it and I agree with you...I just remember one environmentalist group did make the claim that global warming caused the tsumnami - obviously the scientists were too smart to do that. I'm not saying it isn't a problem, and we probably should plant more trees because doing so won't hurt anyone's economy. I'm just saying that most of the oxygen we breathe infact comes from plankton in the ocean, and that as CO2 levels start to rise, that plankton will reproduce faster because they will have more chemical resources avaiable to them. This won't be enough to reduce greenhouse gases or even to stop the rise, but it will slow the buildup down. Over the very long term plantlife would evolve to gorge on CO2 and restore the balance, though we likely don't want it to come to that. To be honest, I just hate it when people make quotes such as Kofi Annan's : "Global Warming is as much a threat to the world today as Weapons of M!@#$%^&* Destruction." I mean, one can raise the temperature 4 degrees per century, the other can raise the temperature 4 million degrees in a fraction of a second.
PoLiX Posted January 25, 2007 Author Report Posted January 25, 2007 Hey, I don't know which group said it and I agree with you...I just remember one environmentalist group did make the claim that global warming caused the tsumnami - obviously the scientists were too smart to do that. Environmentalist groups are just a bunch of wack jobs most the time. It is when you have thousands of Scientists saying the world is getting warmer that you believe it. Not all say it is causing our current weather problems, but most who don't, do say it is something that could be theoretically true, and they won't accept or deny it.
SeVeR Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 Global warming is just a relative term. What you experience is more extreme weather such as bigger hurricanes, blizzards and longer draughts. On average the temperature of the Earth will warm up but in some places it may cool down.
AstroProdigy Posted January 26, 2007 Report Posted January 26, 2007 The global warming is increasing ocean temperatures and bleaching our coral reef effectively destroying yet another source of oxygen. Maybe if we had millions of years plant life would evolve to be able to absorb more CO2, but we don't have that time. Try to imagine what would happen if global warming continues unabaited. Imagine all coastal cities flooded. Here's a map of what would happen to the east coast of the US: http://www.alliancelink.com/endtoglobalwar...rthamerica4.jpgI guess i should practice swimming. It'l mostly warm up and the few spots it may cool down it'l only be bairly
NBVegita Posted January 26, 2007 Report Posted January 26, 2007 thats over thousands of years. And honestly in a thousand years we'll have technology you've never dreamed of. We'll have colonies on dozens of planets. Lets just say global warming is not on the top of my concern list.
jacob hunter! Posted January 26, 2007 Report Posted January 26, 2007 Does the movie "the day after tomorrow" follow global warming in a similiar way?
AstroProdigy Posted January 26, 2007 Report Posted January 26, 2007 Thousands of years? It's happening right now. The movie the day after tomorrow follows a possible scenario of what impact global warming will have. I dont think the extremely sudden effects of the movie would happen. It'd be over a period of time, but nonetheless it would be bye first world.
NBVegita Posted January 26, 2007 Report Posted January 26, 2007 even at a radical, which is radical, 3-4 degrees a century, that is still 300 years minimum before the temp raises 10 degrees. Look at what we've done in the past 300 years, can you imagine what the next 300 will bring?
SeVeR Posted January 26, 2007 Report Posted January 26, 2007 A temperature rise of just 2 degrees could bring devastating consequences for many parts of the world. Deserts would grow at an even greater rate, droughts would last for months rather than weeks, the hurricanes would make Katrina look like a leaf-blower. 2 degrees could kill millions. Global warming is serious because the climate (from a human perspective) is so fragile.
L.C. Posted January 26, 2007 Report Posted January 26, 2007 http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/november2006/161106jupiter.jpgSUV's On Jupiter?Are humans responsible for climate change on the outer reaches of the solar system' date=' or is it the sun?[/size'] Kofi Annan today slammed global warming skeptics as being "out of step" and "out of time," but how will altering human activity halt climate change when the evidence clearly indicates that the sun itself and not SUV's is heating up the entire solar system? "The U.N. chief lamented "a frightening lack of leadership" in fashioning next steps to reduce global emissions. "Let us start being more politically courageous," he urged the hundreds of delegates from some 180 member nations of the 1992 U.N. climate treaty," reports Forbes. But how do we square the fact that almost every planet in our solar system is simultaneously undergoing temperature change and volatile weather patterns. Does this not suggest that global warming is a natural cycle as a result of the evolving nature of the sun? Can Al Gore fill me in on this one? - Space.com: Global Warming on Pluto Puzzles ScientistsIn what is largely a reversal of an August announcement, astronomers today said Pluto is undergoing global warming in its thin atmosphere even as it moves farther from the Sun on its long, odd-shaped orbit. - Space.com: New Storm on Jupiter Hints at Climate ChangeThe latest images could provide evidence that Jupiter is in the midst of a global change that can modify temperatures by as much as 10 degrees Fahrenheit on different parts of the globe. - http://www.ssforum.net/public/style_emoticons/default/mega_shok.gif[/img]/9.html"]Current Science & Technology Center: Global Warming on Mars?A study of the ice caps on Mars may show that the red planet is experiencing a warming trend. If both Mars and Earth are experiencing global warming, then perhaps there is a larger phenomenon going on in the Solar System that is causing their global climates to change. - United Press International: NASA looks at a monster storm on SaturnNASA says its C!@#$%^&*ini spacecraft has found a hurricane-like storm at Saturn's South Pole, nearly 5,000 miles across -- or two-thirds Earth's diameter. - Science Agogo: Global Warming Detected on TritonThere may not be much industrial pollution on Neptune's largest moon, but things are hotting up nonetheless. "At least since 1989, Triton has been undergoing a period of global warming," confirms astronomer James Elliot, professor of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at massachusetts Ins!@#$%^&*ute of Technology. "Percentage-wise, it's a very large increase." - !@#$%^&*ociated Press: Study says sun getting hotterSolar radiation reaching the Earth is 0.036 percent warmer than it was in 1986, when the current solar cycle was beginning, a researcher reports in a study to be published Friday in the journal Science. The finding is based on an analysis of satellites that measure the temperature of sunlight. - London Telegraph: The truth about global warming - it's the Sun that's to blameGlobal warming has finally been explained: the Earth is getting hotter because the Sun is burning more brightly than at any time during the past 1,000 years, according to new research. The simple fact is that throughout the ages the earth has swung wildly between a warm, wet, stable climate, to a cold, dry and windy one - long before the first fossil fuel was burned. The changes we are now witnessing are a walk in the park compared to the battering that our planet has taken in the past. This is not a defense of the oil cartels or the Neo-Con wreckers, who would have every motivation to ignore global warming whether it is man-made or not. Nor is it a blanket denial of the fact that the earth is getting very gradually hotter, but how do we reconcile global warming taking place at the farthest reaches of the solar system with the contention that it is caused by human activity? Have our exhaust fumes left earth's atmosphere and slipped through a black hole to Triton? The !@#$%^&*ertion that global warming is man made is so oppressively enforced upon popular opinion, especially in Europe, that expressing a scintilla of doubt is akin to holocaust denial in some cases. Such is the insipid brainwashing that has taken place via television, newspapers and exalted talking heads - global warming skeptics are forced to wear the metaphoric yellow star and only discuss their doubts in hushed tones and conciliatory frameworks, or be cat-called, harangued and jeered by an army of do-gooders who righteously believe they are rescuing mother earth by recycling a wine bottle or putting their paper in a separate trash can. Fearmongering about an imminent climate doomsday also hogs news coverage and important environmental issues like GM food, mad scientist chimera cloning and the usurpation and abuse of corporations like Monsanto flies under the radar. Global warming is cited as an excuse to meter out further control and surveillance over our daily lives, RFID chips on our trash cans, GPS satellite tacking and taxation by the mile, as well as a global tax at the gas pump. The extremist wing of the environmentalist movement, characterized by people like Dr. Erik Pianka, advocate the m!@#$%^&* culling of humanity via plagues and state sanctioned bio-terrorism, in order to "save" the earth from the disease of humanity. Nazi-like genocial population control measures and the environmental establishment have always held a close alliance. The orthodox organized religion of global warming and its disastrous consequences for our freedom of speech, freedom of mobility and our right to remain outside of the system, needs to be questioned on the foundational basis that the phenomenon is solar-system wide and it is mainly caused by the natural evolution of the sun and not human activity.Source: InfoWars NewsArticle: Click HereMisc: Search Results
AstroProdigy Posted January 27, 2007 Report Posted January 27, 2007 Let me also repeat that a change in temperature will be much more dramatic in the poles versus the equator. So an AVERAGE 3-4 degree temperature rise will lead to a 10 degree increase in temperature where the ice can actually melt. Let me repeat that global warming is real and it is a big threat. Blunt Texas Republican mentality like Bush's combined with a strong big business tilt completely fails with respects to science here.
Greased_Lightning Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 Oooh I can't wait to go fishing on that new East Coast! Okay, let me say that that flooding might not necessarily be a bad thing. It could eliminate a few hundred million people, alleviating the overpopulation of the world. All we have to do now is build a big fence to keep the coasties from moving inland.
AstroProdigy Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 The fastest growing parts of the world are inland because those areas are poorer and less educated. Sounds bad to me.
Digs Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 The fastest growing parts of the world are inland because those areas are poorer and less educated. Sounds bad to me. I wouldn't say that the population "inland" is less educated, they are just smart enough to know that all hurricanes are controlled by the Russians and their weather manipulating devices (which also control your thoughts unless you wear tinfoil helmets), and not the ficticious notion of global warming. Chances are, many of the people who buy into global warming also think that a landslide off the coast of Africa is going to cause a mega-tsunami with catastrophic results in America because the Discovery channel tells them it will. I personally think that the world is too heavily populated. The increase in temperature is a direct result from the heat of the human body, and the excessive weight caused by all these people has slowed the Earth's rotation down slightly enough that it has caused a minor shift in the seasons (such as the Midwest of America no longer having snow on Thanksgiving, but well into March instead). Clearly my opinion is flawless and correct and should not be contested in any fashion unless the person contesting it wants to lose. Does the movie "the day after tomorrow" follow global warming in a similiar way? Yes. Many people were reported saying "This sucks" while sitting through The Day After Tomorrow and world reknown scientists would tell you that a sudden and instantaneous ice age hitting New York would suck as well.
AstroProdigy Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 You notice Europe and Japan actually have subreplacement fertility and if the whole world were like that then a natural population decrease would occur. The movie did suck. Americans illegally immigrating to Mexico? That's some lame irony.
NBVegita Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 For all of you so concerned with the planet, you can walk everywhere. As for me I'll drive my car. Hey I live far enough inland in NY, if the east coasts floods that just means I'll be closer to the beach $
AstroProdigy Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 If NYC floods NYState's economy is in the !@#$%^&*hole along with the rest of the US. Look what happened when a few buildings in NYC collapsed. Face it; NYC is way more important than the rest of NYState.
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