NBVegita Posted January 22, 2007 Report Posted January 22, 2007 So there is a big fight going on because california law makers want to make it illegal to spank your own child. What are your opinions? I personally am all for spanking. I feel that it is a solid form of dicipline to be used when actions are so severe they deserve more than words. I also feel that no one has the right to tell us how we can or cannot dicipline our children. As long as you're not beating the child, sometimes they deserve a spanking.
SeVeR Posted January 22, 2007 Report Posted January 22, 2007 Agreed. This is the one example i always use when i say liberals are going too far. Physical pain is the most simple punishment and is guaranteed to be understood by all children. One thing about liberals is they always take the liberal side of the argument, even if it doesn't make sense.
sil Posted January 22, 2007 Report Posted January 22, 2007 As soon as I read that California law makers were trying to make that illegal, I was not suprised in the least. That has always been a bonkers state. But on topic, I am all for spanking. Yes there is a limit where spanking turns to beating, but there is already laws against beating your child (or at least I believe there is). There are often times when it is quite appropiate to take the stern corse of discipline, otherwise you can be left with out of control children that never learn a bit of respect.
»Ducky Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 I also feel that no one has the right to tell us how we can or cannot dicipline our children.As long as you're not beating the child Everyone's for something so long as they can do it thier way and on thier terms.I mean, it's not your kid. Who are you to say they can't beat a child into a bloody pulp. He learns the lesson doesn't he? You want to draw a line somewhere, and that's fine. I support drawing lines. Now you're just argueing where to draw it. Let's face it, lines are subjective to every unique personality. I'm not for or against it, I was beat as a kid. Did it set me straight? Who knows. I don't have the uncanny ability to look into the future and determine the cause and effect of the actions against me. This topic seems rather.. Idk, Lame.Let's start the Pre election Bashing. I hear Hillary's running now.
PoLiX Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 I got spanked when I did something wrong, and i'll admit I have respect for my parents. !@#$%^&*, I remember fearing the cooking sASSS. I sware they we're used more on my !@#$%^&* then for cooking sometimes... what I get for being a mischievous child, haha. OH MAN, the ones with holes in em... !@#$%^&*. But my bros have gone i'd say, almost their entire lives without much if any spanking, and little discipline. When I was 15, my dad would lay me on my !@#$%^&* if I spoke back to him or my mom. My bros, !@#$%^&*, I end up being the one to beat the !@#$%^&* out of them. My parents won't do !@#$%^&*, and they talk back to them like crazy. Taking !@#$%^&* away from them just makes it worse. But when I lay one down, they shut right up. I think it really just depends on the environment and everything also. But man, who else remembers the s!@#$%^&*. Or in my mom's case, her mom would always buy them those paddle balls. They never seemed to learn that they'd get em when the last paddle broke, and when the string broke on em, my grandmother had herself a new paddle. HAH.
NBVegita Posted January 23, 2007 Author Report Posted January 23, 2007 !@#$%^&* yeah I was spanked. And you know what, it gave me respect and fear for my dad. So much that I didn't want to do anything seriously wrong for fear of what I knew was coming. I knew better than to talk back. But like you say, I had friends who never had anything done to them, and they just didn't give a !@#$%^&*. They'd say the worst things in the world to their parents, and would do whatever and just didn't care. And I'm sorry that you were beat as a child, but that doesn't mean its wrong for me to spank my child. Well when I have children. Nor does it give anyone the right to tell me that I can't discipline them. Thomping someone on the behind and beating them to a pulp are completely different things. Spanking gives them a sore bum, beating a child puts their health and life in danger. You can't compare apples and oranges. In a study I read by columbia university a few years back stated that -90% of child beating cases resulted from kids who were not spanked. Because their parents wouldn't spank them, they'd beat them instead. Of the children who were spanked, for the most part it stayed there. At a spanking. And I won't lie, if my son is an ungrateful !@#$%^&*, who gets out of control, you bet I'll pop him one, and it won't be on his !@#$%^&*.
AceSpades Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 I don't think that respect should be formed around fear. That can lead some children to shy away from others and quite possibly have some sort of effect in later life. Maybe a slight slap now and again is O.K but more than that is beyond the line.
NBVegita Posted January 23, 2007 Author Report Posted January 23, 2007 Spanking is meant to be every now and then. When the action is so severe that you need more than words. Not just because they stole a cookie from the cookie jar.
»Ducky Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 Ace stole the cookie from the cookie jar.(Who me)Yes you!(Couldn't be) Then Who? You're right, you cannot possibly compare apples and oranges. Let's face it though, they are both fruit. As is abuse, mental, physical and emotional. All seperate and all uncontrolled on the victim. You can draw a line where you think it's abuse as a parent, but there will always be a "study" saying otherwise. What was good for Polix and I is not always good for Johnny. People are different, react differently and turn out differently. It's a subjective topic and no matter the decision, people will ignore the outcome for the most part. Btw Polix, mine was three strips of electrical cord. God I hate electricians.
PoLiX Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 And we hate you too That sucks. Worse I had was belts, and it wasn't just being a beating. I was a mischievous kid, i'll admit it. Me and my bros all have the scars, s!@#$%^&*ches, and doctors records to prove it, haha. [offtopic]!@#$%^&*, I got one spot on my leg, like 4x3 on the backside, where i had a solid 3/4in bolt slammed into it. LOOOONG story, and it still is scared, and you can feel everything under it didn't heal right. It twisted it all up somehow, and didn't bleed at all. Yet my mom was able to see my bone... So looking back on how many arteries and !@#$%^&* there are there, I consider myself lucky.[/offtopic] But yeah, this topic is going to go off topic quick. So guess we'll just go with the flow.
NBVegita Posted January 24, 2007 Author Report Posted January 24, 2007 You're right, you cannot possibly compare apples and oranges. Let's face it though, they are both fruit. As is abuse, mental, physical and emotional. All seperate and all uncontrolled on the victim. You can draw a line where you think it's abuse as a parent, but there will always be a "study" saying otherwise. What was good for Polix and I is not always good for Johnny. People are different, react differently and turn out differently. It's a subjective topic and no matter the decision, people will ignore the outcome for the most part. Exactly. What is good for one kid isn't good for another. Not saying that you should always spank your kids. But I should have the right to spank mine. Because just talking to your kids might work, but what if just talking doesn't get through to mine?
sil Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 To continue on that, Ducky is absolutely right, what works for one child will not be guaranteed to work for another. However, does that mean there should be a government mandate making it illegal to spank your child? No, it does not.
Dav Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 we get this debate here all the time as well. Way i see it spanking makes kids fear being disobedient because its an instant punishment. Kids that get told "don't do that" seem to lack discipline and become chavs.
MillenniumMan Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 One thing that you can observe since the 60's is that where corporal punishment has dropped off, crime has steadily risen. Poor inner-city blacks for instance don't really go slapping their kids as much and tell them what they did wrong anymore like they did in the 50's. Now they either ignore the problem due to fear or laziness or whatever and the little ASSS run loose causing trouble. Look at the menendez boys, they had it all except for a proper upbringing. Their parents rarely spanked them or used other kinds of punishment, just bought their way out of messes. Well, their little do-no-wrong sweeties killed them for lack of real discipline and overspending on their problems. Same goes for therest of our failing society as a whole. When greater punishments have been thrown aside in favor of a slap on the wrist and public humiliation has been put on the back burner, it gives most young (who later become older career criminals) adults the impression that it's ok to pull the crap that they do because there is a lack of consequences. 3 strikes and your in for life is crap, it's not really a law just an idea that's not readily enforced. Now, when monkeys act out in public, it should be a womans duty to spank that monkey until the hardening issue is relieved.
»Ducky Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 But I should have the right to spank mine. Because just talking to your kids might work, but what if just talking doesn't get through to mine?That really wasn't the emphasis I was making. It's that you as a parent don't have the foresight to see how that will effect your child.
Greased_Lightning Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 We got the belt thing or sometimes a swift kick in the !@#$%^&*. I would say the worst part was that I had 3 older brothers, so even if my folks didn't do something, I still got a couple licks. It's good for you though, I think, toughens you up and makes you learn some discipline. We get spanked when we were young, but pretty soon just realizing that we had disappointed the family and ourselves was enough punishment. California is screwed up.
NBVegita Posted January 29, 2007 Author Report Posted January 29, 2007 But I should have the right to spank mine. Because just talking to your kids might work, but what if just talking doesn't get through to mine?That really wasn't the emphasis I was making. It's that you as a parent don't have the foresight to see how that will effect your child. There is always some psychologist who will say there are problems with how we do any thing nowadays. Kids today have no respect, no discipline. It is as mm said, that spanking decreases, violent crimes increase. In I believe sweden (I could be wrong) it has been outlawed since the 1970 to use any form of corporal punishment, including spanking. Since the 1970's there has been a significant increase in violent crimes and murders. Also there has been a rampant increase in child-parent abuse since the 1970's, where parents actually fear their children, and what their kids will do to them. Kids today run around doing what ever they want, tell their parents to !@#$%^&* off, destroy others things for the fun of it, and a ton of other !@#$%^&*. You bet your !@#$%^&* if my son ever talks to me, or my wife in that manner, the last thing he'll have to worry about is being grounded. What's your solution for when your kid is out of control, and nothing you can say will stop him?
AceSpades Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 This is quite off topic but I don't like the way the police arn't allowed to wield the knight stick without facing punishment. If a police officer if being verbally abused why can't he dish out a good !@#$%^&* kicking? Saves those little ASSS from becoming to big for thier boots.
MillenniumMan Posted February 2, 2007 Report Posted February 2, 2007 This is quite off topic but I don't like the way the police arn't allowed to wield the knight stick without facing punishment. If a police officer if being verbally abused why can't he dish out a good !@#$%^&* kicking? Saves those little ASSS from becoming to big for thier boots. Ace, at least let the little ASSS take a swing at you first before cracking their f***ing skull open. Better still, let them approach you in a threatening manner such as having an ugly look and getting too close, so you're justified when you say he/she/it was going to attack you.Here in MD they have a vagrancy law, if you have no ID and less than a dollar on you, you can be held without any other cause for vagrancy if you get too loud. And no, having clothes on you is no proof of income, you could have stolen them. Back on topic. The kids nowadays have no concept of consequence. If they act up, hit they, but don't brutalize them.
»Ducky Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 What's your solution for when your kid is out of control, and nothing you can say will stop him?It's funny that anyone will believe that the only possible way a child will grow up properly is to use some type of punishment, as if life experience (and losing experience in some scenerios) isn't enough incentive for someone to learn. The decline in corprol punishment and rise in crime isn't valid unless I see some large poll results. Crime went up because material possession and economy boomed IMO. Wtf did you want in the 70's that you had to break into somones house. A color tv?
NBVegita Posted February 7, 2007 Author Report Posted February 7, 2007 Wtf did you want in the 70's that you had to break into somones house. A color tv? That and their drugs I'm going by personal example, that of the parents I knew who would not spank their children, they were also more lenient on other forms of punishment, or would reduce it sooner. And these kids had more behavior problems because of this. Not saying this is the solution for everyone, but sometimes I believe a person deserves a good womping. And even if they make it illegal I'll still spank my kid if they deserve it. Kids are out of control nowadays, and they have no respect, nor care for what happens. Because too many parents don't believe in punishing their kids. Or they're in denial that their kid is doing anything wrong. Even these young adults, notorius gang bangers when they finally get caught the first thing you see is their parents on tv "There's no way my son did that, he's a good boy, he'd never do anything like that" Newsflash Your son is !@#$%^&*ed up. My brother is a teacher in an elementary school. And he's told me dozens of stories, and this is only his second year, of kids that are uncontrollable in the class room, and when they contatct the parents, they are in denial. "You must be mistaken, my boy wouldn't do that", "My daughters an angel, of course she didn't do that" That is what our world has come to. I mean !@#$%^&* the other day an 11 year old kid was taking shots at a passing school bus with a .22. I'd give him a bit more than stern talking to, or taking away his ps2.
ThunderJam Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 Jews and Christians could still do it by saying it is part of their religious beliefs Lol i remember once my lil bro and I knew we were gonna get spanked so we each put on like 8 pairs of boxers and underwear as a joke
Telson Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 I got popped with a wooden paddle in 7th grade. 3 times on the !@#$%^&* for skipping school. Even though my parents approved it i still think it was wrong. Those ASSS It kept me straight.If you dont discipline them, they will never learn. My sister for example never finished highschool, Is/was addicted to drugs and got pregnant at 18. She wasnt disciplined until her teenage years but then it was too late. But then again she started rebelling after my parents divorced and that made everything worse.
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