Coding Languages

[»Ceiu]

It's funny to see people cap on Java for no reason what so ever -- shows how much they actually know about development.

 

C++ > Java.

 

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And ASM > C++. What's your point?

 

 

 

 

@17th staff:

Don't let a group of idiots convince you one way or another -- use which works best for your zone.

[NBVegita]

Ignorant fool. You call me an idiot when I've been programming for well over a decade, have a degree in it, and get paid to do it.

 

In my personal opinion, I prefer C++ over Java.

 

It's and opinion, and thus not right or wrong.

 

So take your ignorance to some place where you're more qualified to call people idiots. Like general discussion.

[»Ceiu]

It's an opinion you are clearly trying to drive down everyone's throat. Two posts stating the same idea with a very passive-aggressive tone in the same thread over two days? I'm sure I could search the forums and find more statements very similar to that. Yeah, it's ok to have an opinion, but you're using that opinion to flame (by proxy) someone whos actively developing in a language you feel is inferior. Way to go, buddy. That's very noble of you.

 

Also, I've talked to, went to school and worked with several people who "have degrees" and "get paid" to "program" while not knowing a !@#$%^&* thing. So using that as some type of counter-argument is pretty meaningless.

[NBVegita]

C++ > Java.

 

 

I take C++ over Java 7 days a week, and twice on sunday.

 

Erm well I'm sorry if your internet psychology is a bit off...but I fail to see how either one of those do anything besides display my opinion. I never combatted anyone's opinion. In the second quote the direct start of "I" indicates it's my personal opinion. Never once did I attack anyone else opinions, or infer to them as inferior. If you are refering to the reference in my first quote that I infer through ">" that java is inferior to C++, that still does not attack anyone, nor does it attack their ideas. Unless you're trying to correlate the fact that I infer that C++ > Java, so then if anyone believes Java > C++ I must be directly attack them and or their ideas, in which case I would tell you to learn that every opinion could be twisted in such a way.

 

But what I can tell you is that you directly infer that the people who are saying that Java is inferior are idiots. And at least a degree means someone will credit that you know "something" about programming. Without that degree it would be plain luck to get a job in programming, and you'll get paid a fraction of what someone with a degree will get paid. What you know means nothing in this day and age. It's what people think you know, and what people will pay you for knowing. A degree gets you both of that.

 

It's funny to see people cap on Java for no reason what so ever -- shows how much they actually know about development.

 

C++ > Java.

 

...

And ASM > C++. What's your point?

 

 

 

 

@17th staff:

Don't let a group of idiots convince you one way or another -- use which works best for your zone.

[»Ceiu]

Whatever, stupid.

 

You tell yourself whatever you need to to feel justified.

[NBVegita]

Very strong rebuttle. I'll keep that in mind for the next arguement I have. Genius. Pure Genius.

[»D1st0rt]

C++ is gross, C is better hands down

[NBVegita]

After my first 2 years of college C gave me bad nightmares. Once you've gotten used to C++ and work with C, you get frustrated lol. Just sometimes.

[The Cubbies]

Interesting, I agreed with Tex on over half of what he said. Except that crap about ASSS - NOT WORTH THE EFFORT.

 

As for this

 

 

It's funny to see people cap on Java for no reason what so ever -- shows how much they actually know about development.

...

And ASM > C++. What's your point?

 

@17th staff:

Don't let a group of idiots convince you one way or another -- use which works best for your zone.

 

Looks to me as if you are the only one being a complete jerk here. Why cause trouble because he says C++ > java? Java is good, but you know he's right. And Vegita will rape you if you keep it up, so be careful.

 

And why would it only let me post when I changed c p p to c++?

[»Ceiu]

Holy christ, this thread is begining to gleem with stupidity. It's actually tough to decide which of this asinine statments to begin with.

 

 

Very strong rebuttle. I'll keep that in mind for the next arguement I have. Genius. Pure Genius.

 

Your head is too far wedged up your own !@#$%^&* even for me to tolerate... and considering the population of this game, that says a lot.

 

 

1) While the zone sucks, switch it over to ASSS.

 

This is one of the few situations where I agree. The zone is already down and redevelopment is underway. You might as well take the extra steps to setup and learn ASSS.

 

 

Forgot BOTs, they are outdated and a waste of time. (not to mention unreliable and take up a lot of CPU Usuage for the host, cause god knows 17th couldn't live with 5 bots up at all times)

 

First of all, as far as security goes: Bots are superior. Running code at the server level is very convenient and more powerful, but it has the additional risk of being able to not only take down the server with bugs but a backdoor in anything running on the server (bot or plugin) could be far more dangerous than one in a bot running remotely.

Secondly, the speed and resource usage of your program is going to be reflected more by the developer than the language itself -- anyone can write !@#$%^&* code in any language, and similarly, any program can bring your machine to a grind.

 

 

Oh, and let's not be complete idiots, okay?... Java = Gross, C++ = Greatness : Not an opinion... fact.

 

No, you're near-sighted and stupid. Try again.

 

 

After my first 2 years of college C gave me bad nightmares. Once you've gotten used to C++ and work with C, you get frustrated lol. Just sometimes.

 

ZOMG ITS HRD 2 USE LOTZ OF LANGUAGES WITH TEH SIMIRAR SYNTAXZZ!!!!

 

 

Interesting, I agreed with Tex on over half of what he said. Except that crap about ASSS - NOT WORTH THE EFFORT.

 

It depends on what the zone needs. A bot can sometimes handle all of the operations necessary for a zone. However, if you're using known hacks and workaround to maintain your bots and you're already in the process of redeveloping the entire zone, it'd almost be stupid not to try ASSS.

 

 

Looks to me as if you are the only one being a complete jerk here.

 

Trust me, I was and am going out of my way to be nice in this thread because I don't know a lot of you, but I do see a lot of stupid statements that come from your typical newbie developer. Creamy may not be the best guy, but seeing a thread which is essentially a bunch of self-proclaimed professional "programmers" flame him simply for using Java is a good way to drive him away from ss development in general.

 

 

 

Why cause trouble because he says C++ > java? Java is good, but you know he's right. And Vegita will rape you if you keep it up, so be careful.

 

I understand that most people don't know, or even want to know, how to program or how computers really work and take a lot of things their fellow nerds say at face value. I understand that, and it's alright. However, you've also got to accept that sometimes they're just wrong. It happens. !@#$%^&*, I've been called out lots of times. Sure it sucks to be refuted at the public level, but that's how you learn.

 

That aside, C++ is only better in java in terms of speed and memory usage -- and even that is only true to a certain degree. When it comes to portability, RAD, expandability and code maintanence, Java wins hands down. Want to run your bots from a linux server? Can't do it with MERV. Switching platforms while using ASSS? Better hope you have the source to all the modules your devs wrote.

When you're dealing with something like bots -- which in the grand scheme of things see very little data and traffic -- the speed differences between a C/C++ based bot and a Java based bot is negligable. That changes when you start getting to enterprise level applications like databases which have to handle insane amounts of data, but even at that level a lot of speed-critical portions of the application will be developed in straight !@#$%^&*embly anyway. So really his opinion is worthless.

 

Soooo...

You !@#$%^&*ing newbies need to stop ranting about !@#$%^&* you don't know !@#$%^&* about and start appreciating that you have anyone developing for your zone at all. Mother!@#$%^&*ers.

[NBVegita]

As soon as you contribute anything to the zone, then you can come in here and try to preach like you're something special. And I'm sorry that like most people on the internet you feel that you know everything and that you're better at it than everyone else. Because not a single statement indicates that you know more, nor that anyone else knows less than anyone else. I had a professor who's favorite language was Haskell. Does that mean he doesn't know anything because he loves to program in a language that was outdated a decade ago? I never said that java doesn't have its uses, just that I prefer C++.

 

And it really helps your case out that you're attacking one of the people who has contributed the most to this zone since it was created. When Telson and I left our sysop positions, our average population was 30-40 a day. Now it is 2. We must have had some idea what we were doing. But of course we don't know "!@#$%^&*" and all hail Cerium lord of subspace! Where's his 2d space crown? Lets make one out of java.

 

kids/guys/old men like you are a dime a dozen.

[CRe]

I'm hot

[NBVegita]

Being hot and creemy isn't usually a good thing. Might have to see a doctor about that.

[»Ceiu]

Are you really this !@#$%^&*in re!@#$%^&*ed? How do you not get what I'm saying?

 

Having a language preference is one thing. Using that opinion the way you are is what makes !@#$%^&*holes like me attack idiots like you. In the case of your professor, he probably never interrupted any conversation you and a classmate were having about C++ with "Haskel is better" or "I would pick Haskel every day of the week". Think about it, stupid: You have provided nothing to the original topic other than passive-agressively stating that the choice creemy made (and moreover, the 17th staff) was a bad one. The posts made by yourself, Tex and the other dummies about C++ could be removed from the thread without effecting the thread's discussion.

 

Get it yet?

[NBVegita]

C++ > Java.

 

 

I take C++ over Java 7 days a week, and twice on sunday.

 

Erm well I'm sorry if your internet psychology is a bit off...but I fail to see how either one of those do anything besides display my opinion. I never combatted anyone's opinion. In the second quote the direct start of "I" indicates it's my personal opinion. Never once did I attack anyone else opinions, or infer to them as inferior. If you are refering to the reference in my first quote that I infer through ">" that java is inferior to C++, that still does not attack anyone, nor does it attack their ideas. Unless you're trying to correlate the fact that I infer that C++ > Java, so then if anyone believes Java > C++ I must be directly attack them and or their ideas, in which case I would tell you to learn that every opinion could be twisted in such a way.

 

 

I do believe I defended that right there. And instead of commenting on that, because of course my defence is sound, you simply called me stupid and tried to avoid said statement.

 

This is a discussion forum in a topic !@#$%^&*led "Bots", so mentioning that I prefer, or believe C++ a better way to code a bot for the 17th parallel is directly inputing into the topic.

[NBVegita]

And my professor has said that given any language he chooses, based on the job, he would rather use haskell. Because that is his opinion, and he has his phd in fundamental languages, focus: haskell. And none of us got upset about that. Funny how not even creemy got upset, just you. I'm sorry that expressing my opinion in a place designed to do so doesn't make you happy.

[»Ceiu]

You've just gotta be right, don't you? Even if it means ignoring the plain-as-day points made in every one of my posts, you've just got to be the eWinner.

 

Well, whatever, you win. You're the saint who was coming to save the day with your pointless backhanded comments and I have no perception of context. Congratulations buddy, ur teh greetest! Now drop dead.

[Samapico]

HyperTalk ownz all.

[NBVegita]

Congratulations buddy, ur teh greetest!

 

Well at least you've finally come to your senses.

[CRe]

Java FTW

[Tiq]

Cerium reminds me of that angry German kid in that video where he smashes the keyboard because he gets really pissed off at something that happened on the computer. Y'all know what I am talking about I think.

 

I agree with whatever NBVegita is saying, not because I feel one way or another about what it is you guys are talking about, but mainly because I like NBVegita better than Cerium

[NBVegita]

<3 for ze tiq.

[CRe]

Cerium reminds me of that angry German kid in that video where he smashes the keyboard because he gets really pissed off at something that happened on the computer. Y'all know what I am talking about I think.

 

Agreed!

[Tex]

Well, in my school... the teacher is forced to teach us Java... ghey, I know. But I looked at all my college classes and it is all C++!? It's gonna be great... Can't wait to escape java! Now, why would colleges be teaching C++ instead of Java? Anyone have the answer? Huh, what? Maybe because C++ > Java.

[»Ceiu]

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Most colleges have classes for both and in most cases both are required for a csci/seng degree. Pull your head out of your !@#$%^&* now, stupid.