Weasels

[Shrop]

i just witnessed one weasel slaughter me and a few others with very little money put in to it for how much mayhem it cuased, and for the weasel you hardly need the Emp to kill somebody which makes the emp merely an extra or a perk, so i suggest nerf it quite abit and wb seems to be a slightly weak, such as energy and some thrust

[Deathboy-evil]

I'm going to agree with the Weasel being overpowered right now. As for the warbird's, I'd say leave them the way they are. Even though their is overpowered Weasel's, I've seen lots of people in warbird's, (Mostly vets including myself) manage to kill a weasel with the exact precise dodges of their flechette/emp's. But I've had over 50 ish complaints about Weasel's being too overpowered because of flechette, and emps. I have been quite busy to mention anything but I'm glad Shrop has posted it.

[Bomook]

The problem is mostly with the flechette gun, not with the EMP (which is actually the opposite of what I'd like it to be ). The weasel's multifire spread has been decreased in response.

 

There have been some complaints about the multifire, and I want to make it clear that the weasel is not intended to be a powerful fighter or dominate the center.

[Doom-Squirrel]

I've seen lots of people in warbird's, (Mostly vets including myself) manage to kill a weasel with the exact precise dodges of their flechette/emp's.

 

So theoretically, if a person with a wb (and many items, just to balance it out, though they're irrelevant in the end) and a weasel were to fight, !@#$%^&*uming both had equal skill, who would win?

 

Weasel. Most of the time.

 

Of course, weasel costs more, and since most items are irrelevant in this scenario, you might argue that the weasel had more money put into it than the warbird, therefore is en!@#$%^&*led to an advantage.

 

Hyperspace: Where money is a good replacement for skill.

 

 

 

I dislike that mentality immensely. It's noob-unfriendly, and it doesn't help the zone out any.

[Doom-Squirrel]

The problem is mostly with the flechette gun, not with the EMP (which is actually the opposite of what I'd like it to be ). The weasel's multifire spread has been decreased in response.

 

Flechette is a little lame in general. Against smaller ships. Smaller ships tend to have less health, but are faster and easier to dodge with. Agree so far?

 

Well guess what? Along comes flechette - and there goes your dodging. Any multi-shot makes it incredibly hard to dodge much of anything, you have to displace your ship about 3 times as much as you would a normal shot if you were to dodge a multi-shot barrage.

 

 

But there is another side to this issue. Larger ships have greater health, and aren't geared towards dodging as much, so why should Flechette be polarized against smaller ships, and be useless against larger ships? Why not just keep it as it is, where it's great vs smaller ships, and mediocre vs larger ships?

 

 

 

Multi is optional, wouldn't it be easier if single shot was polarized against larger ships, and multi was polarized against smaller ships?

 

Seriously, just press Delete, and you're set for killing levis, press it again, and you can fight a warbird.

 

 

There have been some complaints about the multifire, and I want to make it clear that the weasel is not intended to be a powerful fighter or dominate the center.

 

Yeah, but it is a powerful fighter and it does dominate the center.

[Deathboy-evil]

Flechette is a little lame in general. Against smaller ships. Smaller ships tend to have less health, but are faster and easier to dodge with. Agree so far?

 

Yes, I agree.

Well guess what? Along comes flechette - and there goes your dodging. Any multi-shot makes it incredibly hard to dodge much of anything, you have to displace your ship about 3 times as much as you would a normal shot if you were to dodge a multi-shot barrage.

Wrong.

Flechette is pretty easy to dodge actually, all you got to do is get adjusted to the ship and it becomes easy to, and when I say become adjusted, it only takes a few minutes not days or years. The only ship which I got a problem dodging flechette with is shark, but that's because I don't use the shark often.

[Doom-Squirrel]

Wrong.

Flechette is pretty easy to dodge actually, all you got to do is get adjusted to the ship and it becomes easy to, and when I say become adjusted, it only takes a few minutes not days or years. The only ship which I got a problem dodging flechette with is shark, but that's because I don't use the shark often.

 

It takes far more effort than it seems worth by dodging Flechette.

 

I can dodge flechette quite easily. But I don't see the point when the enemy weasel isn't losing any energy by chasing me, in the end i'll have to use an item (which I hate doing, by the way) just to get away from the barrage.

[Bomook]

So theoretically, if a person with a wb (and many items, just to balance it out, though they're irrelevant in the end) and a weasel were to fight, !@#$%^&*uming both had equal skill, who would win?

 

Weasel. Most of the time.

 

Of course, weasel costs more, and since most items are irrelevant in this scenario, you might argue that the weasel had more money put into it than the warbird, therefore is en!@#$%^&*led to an advantage.

 

Hyperspace: Where money is a good replacement for skill.

 

 

 

I dislike that mentality immensely. It's noob-unfriendly, and it doesn't help the zone out any.

I disagree as well. The weasel is supposed to cost more because it fills a different niche, not because it's supposed to be flat-out better than the cheaper ships. My statement was aimed at whiners who complained that the weasel was underpowered in response to my nerf.

 

There have been some complaints about the multifire, and I want to make it clear that the weasel is not intended to be a powerful fighter or dominate the center.

 

Yeah, but it is a powerful fighter and it does dominate the center.

From what you're saying, it seems the whiners were complaining about something that is still overpowered. Are we on the same level here? If the weasel indeed still dominates the center after the nerfs, then I'll have to look into it.

[Deathboy-evil]

"I can dodge flechette quite easily. But I don't see the point when the enemy weasel isn't losing any energy by chasing me, in the end i'll have to use an item (which I hate doing, by the way) just to get away from the barrage."

 

Will you please make up your mind and stop contradicting yourself.

"Along comes flechette - and there goes your dodging. Any multi-shot makes it incredibly hard to dodge much of anything," ... and than "I can dodge flechette quite easily."

Whether it takes more effort or not, doesn't mean it's impossible to stop, Weasels are no longer overpowered. Their fair now. Ever since the changes which were made to it, there are a lot less weasels, and a lot of the ones which play, tend to get 'owned' pretty easily. And if you can't handle using an item or two every now and than, than that's your problem. The items are there for a reason, not to be ignored.

 

 

 

And Mookie, their not still overpowered.

[Doom-Squirrel]

Will you please make up your mind and stop contradicting yourself.

"Along comes flechette - and there goes your dodging. Any multi-shot makes it incredibly hard to dodge much of anything," ... and than "I can dodge flechette quite easily."

I don't see how it's contradictory. Is incredibly hard, but It's not terribly difficult for me.

 

Whether it takes more effort or not, doesn't mean it's impossible to stop, Weasels are no longer overpowered. Their fair now. Ever since the changes which were made to it, there are a lot less weasels, and a lot of the ones which play, tend to get 'owned' pretty easily. And if you can't handle using an item or two every now and than, than that's your problem. The items are there for a reason, not to be ignored.

 

I don't really tend to use larger ships, so I have no idea of the state of balance between weasels vs different larger ships, but I can !@#$%^&*ure you right now, that yesterday, November 24th, I got 4:1 with a weasel in center, and I can !@#$%^&*ure you that I can replicate that score at any moment.

 

 

Oh, any by the way, I don't really see a purpose of Weasel in bases. EMP bouncing doesn't really ever seem to do great justice, and nobody in their right mind uses bouncing bullets with weasels.

[Deathboy-evil]

Will you please make up your mind and stop contradicting yourself.

"Along comes flechette - and there goes your dodging. Any multi-shot makes it incredibly hard to dodge much of anything," ... and than "I can dodge flechette quite easily."

I don't see how it's contradictory. Is incredibly hard, but It's not terribly difficult for me.

Saying it's extremely hard to dodge flechette bullets and than saying its really easy to dodge flechette bullets, is contradicting itself.

 

Whether it takes more effort or not, doesn't mean it's impossible to stop, Weasels are no longer overpowered. Their fair now. Ever since the changes which were made to it, there are a lot less weasels, and a lot of the ones which play, tend to get 'owned' pretty easily. And if you can't handle using an item or two every now and than, than that's your problem. The items are there for a reason, not to be ignored.

I don't really tend to use larger ships, so I have no idea of the state of balance between weasels vs different larger ships, but I can !@#$%^&*ure you right now, that yesterday, November 24th, I got 4:1 with a weasel in center, and I can !@#$%^&*ure you that I can replicate that score at any moment.

1 word: Skill

 

Oh, any by the way, I don't really see a purpose of Weasel in bases. EMP bouncing doesn't really ever seem to do great justice, and nobody in their right mind uses bouncing bullets with weasels.

Emp bombs are used to stop people's energy. Weasels aren't so much of a basing ship but they can be used as one with the right items. And as well with the help of a team. Bouncing emp bombs, freeze the teams energy. If you have thors, and see they have low energy, you can thor them. And their dead.

[Dr Brain]

I've never really had time to do the weasel justice. All of the other ships have their role pretty well defined (except maybe the shark), but the weasel has sort of never been refined.

 

I'll have some time over winter break that I hope to be able to devote to HS. Lets just say that the weasel is pretty high up on the list of things that need doing.

[Evil Doom]

thanx doc ... for letting us know that you'll fix the zone up a bit during winter break... i and i know alot of others really appreciate it

[Deathboy-evil]

indeed.