Deathboy-evil Posted September 28, 2006 Report Posted September 28, 2006 I'm sure their is a few that Muskrat has forgot to say, but he's pretty much just owned you. GG. lol Quote
Sound Posted September 28, 2006 Report Posted September 28, 2006 Hmm... Maybe there might be a slight...Imbalance in this zone?Maybe there is. Nobody cares but you though. Quote
Bomook Posted September 29, 2006 Report Posted September 29, 2006 Doom_Squirrel, I do admit there is imbalance in the zone, and we try to balance as much as we can. It's not that we don't care, it's that we have to come up with a plausible solution and then implement it, not to mention all of us who are working on the zone have college and more important things to worry about. I personally know Dr Brain and D1st0rt are booked in real life, and even though they're not on much, they make the best effort they can to be active. I've actually agreed with most of the things you've pointed out and suggested, and we are working on fixing them. I've yet to see anything gamebreaking (with the exception of perhaps the bricking/repping in flagging, which we're working on), so for everything else, just be patient like the rest of us until we fix it. There's no need to rant about the same problem every 10 minutes until we've finished implementing the solution. Criticism and complaining are okay, but pouting is not. I didn't mind the wallbombing, reshipping, or just about all of your other threads; I found them helpful, actually. But this thread and the weasel thread? Come on! Have you ever wondered why nobody likes you? Just because there's the slightest imbalance or problem, you act as if the zone is absolutely unplayable. And because the problem isn't fixed immediately, you act as if we're all purposefully ignoring you. That's just childish. I thought this kind of crap would be below you. Quote
Doom-Squirrel Posted September 29, 2006 Author Report Posted September 29, 2006 First off, if you can't debate, don't. Thank you, Muskrat. Now, i'm not sure who actually listens to me (DeathBoy-Evil has reverted to ?ignore whenever I log on), but this is really all I ask: Add Reshipping to the list of rules. I don't care if you don't actively enforce it, simply because it's not a problem when nobody is affected by it. No one is gaining money or points by reshipping when nobody is around. But when you constantly reship, it becomes a huge problem, especially with new players that don't have that good of ships and items. So, if a reshipper is reported, investigate, if it's obvious that this person has been reshipping, punish them accordingly. Otherwise, there isn't much you should have to do. Thank you Quote
Deathboy-evil Posted September 29, 2006 Report Posted September 29, 2006 First off, if you can't debate, don't. Thank you, Muskrat. Now, i'm not sure who actually listens to me (DeathBoy-Evil has reverted to ?ignore whenever I log on), but this is really all I ask: Add Reshipping to the list of rules. I don't care if you don't actively enforce it, simply because it's not a problem when nobody is affected by it. No one is gaining money or points by reshipping when nobody is around. But when you constantly reship, it becomes a huge problem, especially with new players that don't have that good of ships and items. So, if a reshipper is reported, investigate, if it's obvious that this person has been reshipping, punish them accordingly. Otherwise, there isn't much you should have to do. Thank you I don't ignore anyone when they first come online, I've never done that and probably never will. The only way I ignore someone with .?ignore is when they spam the !@#$%^&* out of me or when they try talking !@#$%^&* about me. Now as far as I can see, at the time, your conversation is between Muskrat and Bomook, I can see you've completely ignored everything they've said because your doing the same thing but ok.. Here's where your wrong. Add Reshipping to the list of rules.I haven't seen any good reasons to, your whining, pouting and complaining aren't good enough. I don't care if you don't actively enforce it It's our job as moderators to actively enforce all rules that are listed and more. simply because it's not a problem when nobody is affected by it. No one is gaining money or points by reshipping when nobody is around.Whether they are gaining money and points or not, if they are reshipping than it would contradict against the rule, making it illegal even if it wasn't harming anyone. But when you constantly reship, it becomes a huge problem, especially with new players that don't have that good of ships and items. Everyone has earned their items, just about everyone in the game at this moment, has enough to buy a close combat (money wise and exp wise). Here, I'll ask you something, Give me 10 reasonable reasons of why reshipping should be made illegal? (Give as many as you can, if not 10). Quote
Doom-Squirrel Posted September 30, 2006 Author Report Posted September 30, 2006 I haven't seen any good reasons to, your whining, pouting and complaining aren't good enough.If you can't argue, don't. This is not a valid argument, it's an argument by intimidation. It's our job as moderators to actively enforce all rules that are listed and more.Go ahead? Whether they are gaining money and points or not, if they are reshipping than it would contradict against the rule, making it illegal even if it wasn't harming anyone.You know, HS doesn't have to be facist, i'm not asking it for it to be. It's your choice wether or not to punish somebody. Why WOULD you punish somebody at any rate? You can't follow orders and kill off all the jews simply because you are told to. We don't have to live in that kind of a state in which you should not consider the reasoning behind what you're told to do. Everyone has earned their items, just about everyone in the game at this moment, has enough to buy a close combat (money wise and exp wise).250-4, Pianostool. Discuss. I wonder who those lucky four were that somehow managed to kill him? Here, I'll ask you something, Give me 10 reasonable reasons of why reshipping should be made illegal? (Give as many as you can, if not 10).10 is a rather large number, mostly because the problem itself is rather general, but if you insist... 1: Noobs who don't even have items don't get a chance to take advantage.2: Pianostool. This alone should be enough.3: Noobs don't have as many items, and don't have the same items.4: Your precious zone playing style changes suddenly from who is best at the game, to who can rep, shipchange, and kill the fastest. Everybody's skill no longer exists.5: Thor Storm, even though it's no longer an item.6: Turrets that reship/summon and can not be attacked simply because of the frequency in which the deticated turrets accomplish this.7: Rocket/Shredder will become the only way to kill enemies, and since it depends on the rockets, it'll still take advantage of this.8: Certain ships (if not all) such as shark will become largely useless unless they use rockets9: The ability to kill quickly will become far more useful than the ability to kill gracefully.10: It's creating a lot more of a 'learning (buying) curve'. This does seem like a reiteration of #1, but the point remains that noobs will be far more likely to leave because they simply don't have the capacity to get the money. So what if they're granted $60000 for being a poor noob, they nonetheless wont have the opprotunity to have fun by gaining this money. Just because there's the slightest imbalance or problem, you act as if the zone is absolutely unplayable. And because the problem isn't fixed immediately, you act as if we're all purposefully ignoring you. That's just childish. I thought this kind of crap would be below you.I'm going to repeat myself. "How do you kill an HE Levi?""You dont" - sound ... This is not a slight imbalance, This is the definition of invulnerability. Only reason why I still can play is because there are only a few like AoI Sakura and Pianostool. Quote
mill Posted October 4, 2006 Report Posted October 4, 2006 doom actually has merit to his/her arguments Quote
Suicide_Run Posted October 5, 2006 Report Posted October 5, 2006 Dam man, u all make it sound like HS is a 1v1 arena zone where its only u vsing an opponent wheither its a turret or 1 ship. Ask ur friends in HS to help u out, if u dont have friends make some gesus. This is a multiplayer game where theres multiple players out there not just one dude trying to kill another. Get like a group of ppl and surround the levi and have a dude sit near a safe to rep the levi away from it if the levi ports. The only thing i dislike about center is anti doesnt work in it. You should make it that anti works in center but ppl can attach only in the center/shop safes if thats possible. Btw, staff can always make a seperate HE missile that is only for levi. Wat i mean is the normal HE is for the other 7 ships and this special HE is for levi where the special HE is nerfed abit to balance it back out? Just an idea. Quote
Doom-Squirrel Posted October 8, 2006 Author Report Posted October 8, 2006 Dam man, u all make it sound like HS is a 1v1 arena zone where its only u vsing an opponent wheither its a turret or 1 ship. Ask ur friends in HS to help u out, if u dont have friends make some gesus. This is a multiplayer game where theres multiple players out there not just one dude trying to kill another. Get like a group of ppl and surround the levi and have a dude sit near a safe to rep the levi away from it if the levi ports. 1: Why should I bother with the trouble of getting a group together to kill 1 single enemy, with usually catastrophic results for my team, simply because somebody is exploiting a zone imbalance? 2: This won't stop them from being 'invincible', sure, it's a greater chance than 1v1, but in the end, they'll still be able to reship for various reasons. Quote
Suicide_Run Posted October 13, 2006 Report Posted October 13, 2006 Doom, face it....a zone can never be balance. There will always be someone thats gonna find an unbalance thing and exploit it. Besides it all depends on the person's view if the zones imbalance or not cause anyone can say something is imbalance and throw some points to justify it unless the whole zone has only 1 ship. Another thing, theres seriously no point of u making this thread if ur just gonna reject most of the solution ppl offer or just respond w/ "unbalance, reshipping". No one can be killed if they run into safe when they r low or reship. Even if staff has the rule of no reshipping, ppl can just bend it by shipchange from a levi to jav, play abit in it and then shipchange back. Its not exactly called reshipping and u cant put a rule saying "No shipchanging" cause thats just re!@#$%^&*ed. That way ppl can still be "invicible" An easy way to solve the thread question would be just reducing the max speed of levi so it fullfills its name as "Heavy Bomber" cause heavy bomber aint suppose to move fast or as i said earlier, make a seperate HE missile for levi. Quote
scarface.nl Posted October 13, 2006 Report Posted October 13, 2006 LOL GUYS STOP TYPING SO MUCH IRL I DONT LIKE TO READ THAT Quote
Doom-Squirrel Posted October 15, 2006 Author Report Posted October 15, 2006 Doom, face it....a zone can never be balance. There will always be someone thats gonna find an unbalance thing and exploit it. Besides it all depends on the person's view if the zones imbalance or not cause anyone can say something is imbalance and throw some points to justify it unless the whole zone has only 1 ship.I believe that the zone as it is posesses a huge potential for exploitation of imbalances. I can live with WB < Jav < Spider < Terr < WB. I can't live with invincibility for specific enemies. Another thing, theres seriously no point of u making this thread if ur just gonna reject most of the solution ppl offer or just respond w/ "unbalance, reshipping". No one can be killed if they run into safe when they r low or reship.Maybe because.... IT'S HORRIBLY INBALANCED? Seriously, i'm not REJECTING SOLUTIONS, they simply DONT WORK because the problem refuses to be fixed. Even if staff has the rule of no reshipping, ppl can just bend it by shipchange from a levi to jav, play abit in it and then shipchange back. Its not exactly called reshipping and u cant put a rule saying "No shipchanging" cause thats just re!@#$%^&*ed. That way ppl can still be "invicible"Atleast they wont be getting 500-3 because they don't have an infinite number of repels per death. Quote
Evil Doom Posted October 15, 2006 Report Posted October 15, 2006 Doom... man no1 is forcing you to play hyperspace.... and there is lots of ways to own a HE Levi.... your like the only one that thinks it over powered... now if you dont want to play cuz u think he levi's own too much.... then dont play... we dont want you posting the same thing over and over again... (inbalanced, do something)... now stop complaining plz.... Quote
Suicide_Run Posted October 15, 2006 Report Posted October 15, 2006 I agree w/ 3vil. If u dont like the zone, dont play it. Dont come and keep whining.Btw doom, u should stop responding w/ "zone imbalance" cause this topic is "How do you kill an HE levi?" not how to do fix an imbalance zone or how to kill ppl that reships. If u want those questions answered, go make a new thread and post solutions up instead of critizing other ppls replies. And your only solution i seen so far was add a no reshipping rule which can be easily bended by shipchanging. Quote
MWarrior Posted October 15, 2006 Report Posted October 15, 2006 Many of you think Doom is just whining for the sake of whining, but he's just trying to input suggestions to fix the inbalances and to make the zone a better place. Quote
Deathboy-evil Posted October 16, 2006 Report Posted October 16, 2006 Doom... man no1 is forcing you to play hyperspace.... and there is lots of ways to own a HE Levi.... your like the only one that thinks it over powered... now if you dont want to play cuz u think he levi's own too much.... then dont play... we dont want you posting the same thing over and over again... (inbalanced, do something)... now stop complaining plz.... I agree w/ 3vil. If u dont like the zone, dont play it. Dont come and keep whining.Btw doom, u should stop responding w/ "zone imbalance" cause this topic is "How do you kill an HE levi?" not how to do fix an imbalance zone or how to kill ppl that reships. If u want those questions answered, go make a new thread and post solutions up instead of critizing other ppls replies. And your only solution i seen so far was add a no reshipping rule which can be easily bended by shipchanging. Honest to god, I stopped reading this thread a long time ago. But eventually it gets to be a pain. I read the 1st part of Evil's post and considering Suic agrees with him as well.. I'm going to say I agree as well. Many of you think Doom is just whining for the sake of whining, but he's just trying to input suggestions to fix the inbalances and to make the zone a better place. As for MWarrior's post.. MWarrior, I understand the whole perspective of him trying to input his suggestions, etc. into the zone, I personally have no problem with that. But eventually it gets to the point where it actually starts to stop being suggestions or whatever and starts to be classified as Whining. Like honestly, A while back, he asked me to explain common sense things... Doc has already said that it's not going to be put as a rule.. so why are you guys still complaining about it? If there was a suggestion part towards it than this thread would have been over a while ago. Let me clear this up. If you suggest something, it's a suggestion, you have the right to back it up. But when it's declined or put down. Than there is no reason whatsoever for you to continue. That's just how it is, and if you don't like it. Than just leave ... no one's forcing you to do either. As for you Doom, why can't u just leave it alone already?... It's not going to be changed, It's already been made final. Before you asked me to explain something that was common sense, and I didn't because I didn't feel like going into such details about something you knew but just wanted me to explain, so before you bother to tell me to explain this or whatever.. let me make it as clear as possible. Stop Complaining/Whining/Suggesting or whatever you want to call it for the no shipchanging rule. It's already been declared that it won't be made as a rule. And if sometime in the near future, Doc or the rest of the mods ever decide to make it a rule, than you can feel free to put your input. But gawd, leave it alone already, before I have to close the thread and stop it myself. Now, 1 last thing, I've taken a quick glance at whatever you've said. You've made your points and it's simply not going to work. Part of this game is to have your own strategy and if you wish to expand your strategies throughout your friends, peers whatever you want to call them.. teammates.. than feel free to do so. It's just like taking down a turret, you devise your own strategy or plan by using whatever you have to take it down, even if you have to do it single handedly. Learn to play and stop complaining. Simple as that. And please, don't break my paragraphs up into small parts with another HUGE post. Example: It's our job as moderators to actively enforce all rules that are listed and more.Go ahead? That was something you had posted when you broke down my paragraphs.. but that sentence was clearly referring back to the other points I had made. Quote
Choose Profile Posted October 17, 2006 Report Posted October 17, 2006 I love how every other thread turns into everyone fighting Quote
Deathboy-evil Posted October 17, 2006 Report Posted October 17, 2006 well, welcome to the forums, lol but even still not all threads turn into fighting its usually certain people.. lol Quote
mij Posted October 17, 2006 Report Posted October 17, 2006 if you make shipchanging illegal, i'll just go to spec, and reenter again. well if you make that illegal i'll just change arena, then change back well if you make that illegal i'll just exit zone, then reenter. moral: make it illegal to exit zone. problem solved. Quote
Deathboy-evil Posted October 17, 2006 Report Posted October 17, 2006 if you make shipchanging illegal, i'll just go to spec, and reenter again. - That's probably what would happen if we did.. well if you make that illegal i'll just change arena, then change back - This would probably crash the zone resulting in a 30 day ban. well if you make that illegal i'll just exit zone, then reenter. - You'd eventually become banned by crashing the zone. Quote
»D1st0rt Posted October 17, 2006 Report Posted October 17, 2006 loawl what if we made it so that you globally couldn't get (back) in another ship for 30 seconds after changing throughout the whole zone (and then had an override for other arenas) ez pwnt gg Quote
Deathboy-evil Posted October 17, 2006 Report Posted October 17, 2006 lol D1, than his plan would be screwed Quote
Choose Profile Posted October 18, 2006 Report Posted October 18, 2006 Pfft DBE im not new, i just never post! Im member # 1424 and youre 3695, do that math oh yeah im suppose to flame and fight by the end of my post so... DBE youre a noob ezggpwntkthxbye. Quote
Deathboy-evil Posted October 18, 2006 Report Posted October 18, 2006 a) I never said you were If you were smart enough to realize you would have thought that I didn't register on the forums til like 2006 .. and i was here when the forums were here as well etc Quote
Doom-Squirrel Posted October 18, 2006 Author Report Posted October 18, 2006 In response of the huge text chunk that DBE wrote (despite requesting that I don't) If you can tell me why reshipping isn't inbalanced, and I am not able to come up with a valid counter argument, then i'll step aside. I really don't see the logic in ignoring what's being said. Quote
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