bin Laden dead?

[candygirl]

Citing a leaked French secret service report, regional daily newspaper L'Est Republicain reported Saturday that Saudi Arabia was convinced bin Laden died of typhoid in Pakistan in late August.

 

The French government said it could not confirm the report and would investigate the intelligence leak.

Info on this is here

 

What do you think?

[SVS]

If it is true it would hardly be surprising.

[Tiq]

And it would hardly matter.

[SVS]

And it would hardly matter.

 

Also true.

[Existance]

Most of my class and me belive he is cuz no one on the news or anything is talking about him

[AstroProdigy]

It'd be better we know he's dead so Bush can't use him as a bludgen on anyone who disagrees with his incompetence and corruption.

[Existance]

It'd be better we know he's dead so Bush can't use him as a bludgen on anyone who disagrees with his incompetence and corruption.

agreed

[SVS]

It'd be better we know he's dead so Bush can't use him as a bludgen on anyone who disagrees with his incompetence and corruption.

 

Not really, Bush has already moved on to new figure heads of evil.

[Existance]

my dad said that bush is going to get one of his friends to run for presendent so everyting in iraq and iran will stay the same

[AstroProdigy]

I like how he tries to be peaceful with the obvious psycho in North Korea who thinks he is God and very obviously brainwashes his people to think the same. Then again no oil so it can't pay for itself the way Iraq "has" .

[Existance]

ya thats the problem bush has no idea what hes doing

 

like 9/11 hes like we are going to clean up and rebuild

which he did then he goes to send army people to o settle iraqs problems that have no need for usa

[NBVegita]

Oh his reasons for invading iraq were perfectly strategic. They just backfired mighty well against him.

 

Bush launched this enourmous campaign into afghanistan to get Bin Laden. When he started he had the full and total support (or at least as much as you can) from the american people to find Bin Laden and do dasterdly things to him. But what Bush thought would be a fairly easy campaign...well kinda ended up turning into one !@#$%^&* of a goose chase, and the American people were starting to get restless. So what is a Bush to do? Well just a decade ago, his father launched the Persian Gulf war into Iraq which being his father was a much better politician, had the majority of Americas support. So to try to save face with his people, and a little pride, he tried to finish what daddy started over a decade ago. The problem is, Bush sr. as stated was a much better politician. If Bush had gone into iraq at the right time, and had done things right, and come out successful, he would not be criticized for the war in iraq.

 

The problem is, that a good part of what bush has been doing has some reason behind it, but every plan seems to backfire on him and put him in worse and worse shape. To the point now that he can't seem to dig himself out.

 

And honestly, just wait til the next guy is in office, or the guy after him is in office. When president clinton was in office, he finished his tenure with about the same public support that Bush has, except he was in the midst of an impeachment hearing. Now that he's out of office, people are like "yeah he was a good president" when if you had asked them while he was president it was "Man he's terrible! When's the next election!?"

 

Now I'm not trying to argue who was a better president, because thats just pure insanity to try to argue. As it is merely 100% opinion. But you just don't see anything but the anti-Bushism so its easy to jump on the bandwagon with it. But hey, he did get re-elected into office, by a decent margin. And his approval rating even for the war in iraq has been steady around 40% for the last 8 months or so. Now its dropping a little more tho.

 

The biggest problem I see with american politics is party lines. Nowadays, not just young people, are too caught up on party lines. My fiance's mother is a democrat, and refuses to vote for republicans. Her neighbor that she had known for 25 years and were great friends ran for some government position, and she refused to vote for him based solely on the fact that he was republican. Something like that is just uncalled for. If I'm gd voting, and I like a democrat, then I vote for one. If I like a republican, then I vote for one. Just because I am a registered republican, does not mean I only vote for my own party.

[AstroProdigy]

The CIA launched the brilliant campaign in Afghanistan. Rumsfeld kept the troops out because he had a personal vendetta against CIA director Tenet and that let Bin Laden right through. I like the abc movie that shows that it was the Clinton administrations fault with fabricated information that didn't prevent the attacks of 9/11 when it was the Bush administration that ignored the warnings and then pretty re!@#$%^&*edly let Bin Laden slip away. So yes why not distract the American people from your total incompetence with another war? Problem is the complete and utter incompetence was still there.

 

Clinton's controversies were about his personal life. It wasn't about his presidency. Bush has dozens of major things that are seriously wrong with his presidency. People forgot about Clinton's affairs because they realize in the end Clinton was a good president and getting head from his fat secretary didn't really mean didly squat for how good or bad he did as president. With Bush it's all about how badly he did with the presidency.

 

Also, Clinton's approval ratings were not as bad as Bush's. I personally thought the whole thing was blown up by Republicans to look for dirt. I like how they try to sweep many many much much worse things under the rug now and say that pointing these things out helps the terrorists.

 

I didn't "jump on the bandwagon". I knew from the start from Bush's friends stealing the election in Florida that Bush was corrupt. I got behind the president after 9/11 like everyone else and like everyone else I was betrayed by one of the most corrupt administrations in history. Bush got reelected by trashing his opponent and keeping Democrats from voting. It's more an issue of Democrats failing to sell Kerry to the public than Bush doing a good job. 40% approval ratings doesn't mean anything considering the majority of people are entrenched in a certain party and almost never change sides no matter what.

 

The problem with young people is they feel too disenchanted to see that they're vote matters so they just don't vote. If everyone voted I think Democrats would win by like a 20% margin considering the poor and young people who'd vote for Democrats mostly vote in the lowest numbers whereas the rich and the old vote for Republicans mostly and vote in the highest numbers.

 

If I found a good more honest Republican like McCaine I might vote for them if the GOP would even let them through (they'd have to be ultra conservative to get through). I wish there was some way to just demolish the parties and let the system start from scratch so things aren't so entrenched.

[Synister]

I doubt he's dead. He's probably staging it to make them suspect the terrorism over that he's dead, then just launch a massive attack when USA least expects it.

[Deathboy-evil]

I bet he's hiding underground, or something, and he'll show up in like another 2 or 3 years.. and people will be like... OMG HE'S BACK RUN FOR YOUR LIVES.. and you see him dancing around with another plan.. next thing you know he goes mental and starts running into walls

[NBVegita]

The problem with your opinions is that they are biased opinions. When Bill clinton came into office you were 6 years old. When he left office you were 14 years old. I'm sorry, but at 6 years old you cannot accurately have any political knowledge. Even most 14 year olds have minor political knowledge. The fact that you have experienced at least some political knowledge on the Bush administration, and try to compare it to second hand knowledge of president clinton that just contains bias. Unless you have fully studied the clinton administration, then I apologize, but I gather that you have not, being there was a lot more controversy to his terms in office than just that cigar.

 

During clintons tenure in office, for which I was actually a voter for, he had his share of issues. You cannot get impeached for sleeping with an intern in the oval office. There was a much larger scandal involved. The wall street journal did a survey ranking all of the presidents back in 2005, and clinton was ranked in the bottom quarter of presidency and considered below average. His overall public opinion was not that he was a good president. But I'm not here to degrade him. He has come, he has gone. And as for Bush, let the poor man finish out his last years without every democrat in the world trying to degrade him at every corner. He can't get back into office, so why must you keep pointing out his shortcommings? Everyone, and I mean everyone in the whole gd world knows his shortcommings. The democrats are just using the fact that he is a republican, and if they can bury him in enough shame then that will sway the global opinion of republicans. Which it seems to be working. I am by no means pro bush, if he were up for election today, I'd vote down with him, but I wouldn't vote against him just for the sake of voting against him either. The democrats need to focus more on providing a solid candidate than throwing dirt. It backfired in their last election with Kerry. They have some good possibilites that might be running, focus on them more than the presidents shorcommings. I'm not saying not to criticize and that is a cons!@#$%^&*utional right, but doing it incessantly is just uncalled for.

 

But back on track, if we want to discuss this further, please open a "Bush vs. Clinton" thread and we'll continue there.

 

As for Bin Laden, He's slippery. I don't personally think they've got him. He's got enough money to run and hide for a very long time. So until I see his head on cnn news I won't believe it.

 

As a side note: I don't mean to degrade you astro for being young, or not saying that you do not know anything, even concerning the clinton administration, but I was very politically active during that time, and know much about his administration and when a blanket statement comes out saying that his only major problem was with an intern it gets me worked up.

[AstroProdigy]

I was a smart kid...I probably knew more than most adults in this country.

 

Bush took every chance to betray democrats into supporting his own agenda and then portraying them as weak for it. If the Republicans couldn't have even a shred of decency then we can't expect Democrats to take the high road. They're even showing movies about how "9/11 was Clinton's fault" right before the elections to try to move away from their own very obvious incompetence, corruption, and extremism.

 

The Democrats aren't running for president this year. It's all about showing how dramatically disastrous it was to have Republicans in control. Bush beat Kerry because he successfully attacked Kerry's war record (such a low blow i lost all respect for Bush) and painting Kerry bad not painting himself positively.

 

Clinton had a Republican Congress that wasn't as extreme or corrupt as the Bush Congress. That allowed a more moderate middle ground and real debate about corruption. With Bush corruption is swept under the rug and the extreme is the only thing that goes through. Please list Clinton's major problems in a new thread if we're gonna debate this.

[NBVegita]

Most kids think they know or knew more than most adults do. But there is a reason that the voting age is...wait...18...not...8...

 

Back on topic: Bin Laden = alive. gd nub. needz to die. werd.

[SeVeR]

bin Laden dead?

Don't give a crap. This figure-head Satan has done more for Bush's war on terror than he has for his own Jihad.

[AstroProdigy]

No most adults are ignorant. I'm 19 now and I still say i was smarter than most adults on the Clinton administration. That's not saying I knew a lot it's saying Americans are stupid.