Himura Kenshin Posted September 20, 2006 Report Posted September 20, 2006 If you guys havent noticed at all it is the same people that rioted last time, the only reason they did riot is becuase a few people start it up and they follow. It was completely and utterly wrong for them to go to violence, but the fact you say we have n faith made me ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL. Look at !@#$%^&*ing america they are the ones with no faith in god, they are the ones who have strayed so far off the path of the bible they make up what they want to believe in. They follow some of the rules but not all of them. And if you look at the percentage of people who did riot to the whole muslim religion you would find it was a very small percentage, the only people getting featured in the news are the violent ones becuase they want to desecrate on the religion. Aliron i have absolutely no respect for you any more, i you have no facts basing your claims and make accusations that are utterly perposterous. Now before you say one religion has no faith in god why dont you look at your own country and how the christian religion is becuase it simply is one of the most ridiculous religions i have ever seen. They have modified the bible so many times just to suit their needs.
NBVegita Posted September 20, 2006 Author Report Posted September 20, 2006 Note: I do not mean all muslim people, as a good majority are doing good protests, and non violent means. So remember that my term "Muslim people" refers only to the Muslims commiting these acts, not them all as a whole.
Himura Kenshin Posted September 20, 2006 Report Posted September 20, 2006 its still only a small majority compared to the whole religion due to the fact only they are portrayed within the news. And when you completely insult the entire religion my points stay.
protoman.exe Posted September 20, 2006 Report Posted September 20, 2006 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeKOw77Sa6ohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AxYBPiLxuo
»doc flabby Posted September 20, 2006 Report Posted September 20, 2006 its still only a small majority compared to the whole religion due to the fact only they are portrayed within the news. And when you completely insult the entire religion my points stay. Some surveys. http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2005/...ims%20jul05.asp http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2006/...ims%20feb06.asp A couple of the questions: For Muslim demonstrators to carry placards calling for the killing of those who insult Islam Right 12% Wrong 82% Refuse/Don't know 6% To exercise violence against those who are deemed by religious leaders to have insulted them Right 13% Wrong 79% Refuse/Don't know 8%
NBVegita Posted September 20, 2006 Author Report Posted September 20, 2006 I am coming from a mere political standpoint. I've never once mentioned anything criticizing or even concerning their religion, except for the ways the followers of the religion are reacting concerning said comments made towards/against their religion. I don't know who's posts you have been reading, I have been respectful, and I may be criticizing their means, but I have in no way insulted the Muslim people or their religion. And I don't know what limb you're trying to walk out on, but I have never implied that it was more than small percentage of Muslims. I do believe that my statement covered this, but how much more specific would you like me to be? Do I have to start quoting percentages like doc? Or would you then yell at me for that too? I just don't know what you're trying to prove, maybe you could clear that up for me.
Himura Kenshin Posted September 20, 2006 Report Posted September 20, 2006 it was aliron not beeing respectful. As for your first video protoman I believe isreal are the terrorists and hizballah is the force stopping them from oppressing lebanon. The third video is also nothing wrong Nasrallah deffended lebanon and we all support him for beeing able to deffend against isreal's agressiong towards lebanon and palestine. just read my posts in the other topic about this.
Tiq Posted September 21, 2006 Report Posted September 21, 2006 Just refer to the violent muslims as terrorists, or extremists. That way, y'all can avoid looking prejudiced and what not. Afterall, extremists/terrorists are more accurate terms for them than Muslim. God knows they aren't true to the religion the profess to follow.
SVS Posted September 21, 2006 Report Posted September 21, 2006 http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8...1536581,00.html before you come to a conclusion about other faiths check your own, you have killed millions in the name of god. Do some 7th grade history back to the middle ages and the crusades. I am an athiest. I was confirmed Catholic but I never held any belief in that organized religion nor any other organized religion. No one here is arguing that Catholicism has not also done its far share of violance (If they were to do so it would be asinine), what I pointed out along with several other people in this thread is the current propensity towards violance by certain segmants of CURRENT Muslim populations. Physical violance carried out over a quote (or a cartoon) being read is just rediculous and if you can't understand why that concerns rational people then I don't know what to tell you. We could go on and on over which faith has slaughtered more people in the name of god but that discussion is not what my post and the general point of this thread is about. If you are unable to enter into a discussion ON topic without resorting to insults and SWEEPING accusations about the personal education or beliefs of every single poster in disagreement with you... you should probably stop reading threads in this forum.
Mr. Right Posted September 21, 2006 Report Posted September 21, 2006 Religion in terms of diversity caused more bloodshed and hostility than any other ins!@#$%^&*ution in history (examples: Catholics, dark ages, Reformation periods, etc.). Debating/questioning religion and that of others will ultimately lead to nowhere, especially through online medium.
protoman.exe Posted September 21, 2006 Report Posted September 21, 2006 it was aliron not beeing respectful. As for your first video protoman I believe isreal are the terrorists and hizballah is the force stopping them from oppressing lebanon. The third video is also nothing wrong Nasrallah deffended lebanon and we all support him for beeing able to deffend against isreal's agressiong towards lebanon and palestine. just read my posts in the other topic about this. I personally find it hard to support suicide bombers and people who use children as human shields.Oh, and I forgot that I dont support these kinds of Muslims. I also love how all of these young muslims say that they support hezbollah, yet they never heard about hezbollah before this, !@#$%^&*, they probably didn't even give two ASSS about Lebanon before.
Aileron Posted September 25, 2006 Report Posted September 25, 2006 Religion in terms of diversity caused more bloodshed and hostility than any other ins!@#$%^&*ution in history (examples: Catholics, dark ages, Reformation periods, etc.). Debating/questioning religion and that of others will ultimately lead to nowhere, especially through online medium. Alright, now that is flat-out false. Secular leaders such as monarchs, emperor's and dictators have a WAY higher body count in that area. If you account for growing population (because if you don't its never going to be close), I'd say Genghis Khan was the worst, Hitler the second, and the Spanish Conquistadors as third. There is a point in debating religion, because otherwise people just say things in their own little cliques and dialogs don't happen. For instance, since there are no open debates between Baptists and Catholics, Baptists spend their services talking about the supposed evils Catholics do. (I snuck into one of these meetings myself, when I was only 10 friggin' years old.) In these private meetings no one argues, the arguements are one sided, which push the participants to extremes and thus their hatred accelerates. This fact is not only true in religion, but on any issue in which people dissagree, which makes dialog always important. Either we debate this openly or a violent underworld is going to develop from the silence. If for no other reason, that is the reason there should be open religious debate. As for my previous statements, its a deductive proof based upon their observed behavior. The problem with using such a proof is that it opens up the possibility of there being two explanations for the observed behavior and it is possible to choose the wrong one. Still, it is still a logical method that is used quite often in science, and it is indeed true usually. Granted I offered no statistical evidence, but such evidence is not very applicable to such an arguement which was more academic than real-world anyway. A proper disproof would consist of an alternative explaination for observed behavior. Example: The reason Muslims pray three times a day could be _______ If that poll is accurate then that 82% needs to stop giving us lip-service, get off the internet and actually stop the riots. Yes, the US has had similar groups like the KKK in the past, but we dealt with them before they became an international problem. And on a side note, in my personal opinion I will never hold sacred any ins!@#$%^&*ution which trains their children to hate me. The presence of such a system in the Muslim world is obvious, the only debates are whether that system is secular or religious in nature and how big or small it is.
SeVeR Posted September 25, 2006 Report Posted September 25, 2006 I'd say Genghis Khan was the worst, Hitler the second, and the Spanish Conquistadors as third . Are you fecking kidding me?
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