NBVegita Posted October 5, 2006 Report Posted October 5, 2006 Erm...did someone say communism? The rich don't have a right to be rich? wtf man. wtf. So tossing packages in a plant all night for fedex is hard work...but being a surgeon isn't? You are plain ignorant to believe that just because you're making good money at your job means you're not working hard. One is manual labor, and one taxes the mind. Honestly any shmuck off the street can toss a package for fedex. Tell that same guy to run a company and you'll see the difference. I work for a utility company where the people on the line service (the ones who climb the poles, and do all the manual labor) make as much as us in the office. We cannot work without them, they cannot work without us. plain and simple. Yes the high high ups in the office make more than the high ups of the linemen, but honestly all of the linemen make over 45k a year. Thats a good salary. The ones that have been with the company for over 7 years average making between 50-70k a year. Even manual labor pays well. Just go to a trade school (very cheap) and become a carpenter, or electrician, or a plumber, or even a construction worker. You'll make over 40k a year starting at any of those jobs, very cheap to gain the certification. I guess I just don't see how there is not opportunity. And you are completely diluted in your aspect of the stock market. You making money = stealing someone else's? wtf again man. The stock market allows you to purchase a small peice of a company so that you as an every day consumer can cash in on these huge corporations that are making tons of money. You buy a part of a company when it is down in sales ect. Then when they boom, you sell. By being a smart investor, you can take the profits of a multi-billion dollar corporation and make them your own. What's wrong with making a good investment? My fiance's parents could afford to send her to college based on the money they invested in the stock market. They are planning on using that money for retirement. But of course you are right there is no good that comes from the stock market, and we should close it down, and let all of these billion dollar corporations keep every ounce of profit for themselves. Because that will obviosly be better for us all. And ceo's are appointed by a commitee of popular shareholders (by popular that means the shareholders who personally own moderate amounts of the company). Would you choose some "hard working" fedex man to be your CEO, or would you choose the very well educated, and experienced man who will be able to keep increasing the company's, and your own profits?
AstroProdigy Posted October 9, 2006 Report Posted October 9, 2006 No one said the rich don't have to be rich. The rich don't have to be so grossly rich that they can support thousands of themselves in luxury. That's completely unnecessary. That's the thing about education. It's very decidedly pro rich in the US and it feeds into a cycle. That's a major reason why a child born to a ghetto will probably stay in the ghetto while a person born to luxury will probably stay in luxury. People succeed in the stock market by buying low and selling high. When you do this you're inevitably taking money from people who invested less wisely/with less luck. Corporations could not be as successful without the stock market. I know big corporations make a country more competetive, but in the long run they just hurt the little people. A major corporation's responsibility is only to its shareholders. That means it needs to do everything in its power to turn a profit and less government controls means a greater ability to do whatever it takes to make money. You don't seem to understand the basics of sociology to grasp what I'm saying here.
NBVegita Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 No, what I can't grasp is the unmotivated outlook on life most people gain. I've never once thought that I could not become wealthy, and I came from almost nothing. There are hundreds of opportunities in this country. Look at decades ago when all of the immigrants came with nothing to this country, and now they've made something for them. Why is that? Work ethic. My friend who is asian, grew up with just his mom, his dad left him when he was 5. His mother came from cambodia (not cambodian ethnicity). Each of the children came over one at a time, and payed to bring the next over until the entire family was here. They had no education, there just wasn't the opportunity where they came from. So each and every one of her siblings worked once they got to america to get their GED's. Once they got those, they used the money they made working full time while they went to school, to get college education. Most of them went to small state schools, or even community college. They now all own nice houses, brand new cars, and have a very nice retirement set up. She still works 6 days a week, 12 hour days. She makes very good money, and does not have to work so much but she still does. Don't you feel even a little ashamed of your own country that people who come from even less than we do from other countries are willing to work harder in our own country than we are? It makes me down right sick. Instead of whining about how well other people have it, work. More work, less whine. There is nothing keep a poor man poor, except that poor man himself. And honestly, if I had millions of dollars would I give it to the poor? !@#$%^&* NO. Would I save it so that I can p!@#$%^&* it down to my children so that they can live better lives than I have, and so that they can p!@#$%^&* it down to their children for the same reasons. !@#$%^&* yes. Would I open up a scholarship foundation for hard working children, depending on the amount of money I had, yes I would. But I would never give anything to anyone who didn't work hard for it. And I'm not going to lie, it would take me having a whole lot of money before I'd decide to be that generous. A whole lot.
AstroProdigy Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 The fact that you don't understand this shows how little grasp you have of living with no real hope. You're gonna give millions of dollars to your kids? And what are they going to do with their lives? Lounge around? I come from immigrant parents so I know why they do what they do whereas the poor in the US do something else. It's not a simple clear cut thing and the policies we have don't make things better. Of course you don't want to give your money. It's human nature. That's why laws are required because you can never expect people to give to charity freely.
jacob hunter! Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 I don't really care for our current president.
NBVegita Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 There is always hope. No one can take hope away from you. You are the only one who can lose hope.
Deathboy-evil Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 lol enough hmm's attraction? .. lol Hmm. lol
jacob hunter! Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 I'm trying to get some post count here!
Deathboy-evil Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 pssh.. lol i think i noticed ... lol good luck than .. lol
AstroProdigy Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 People can make it !@#$%^&* easy to lose hope and statistically even if only some lose hope that's still too much for millions.
NBVegita Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 Plain and simple, Hope is the one thing that no man can ever take away from another. I'm sorry but it is not my duty to help those who don't even want to help themselves. Plain and simple, if you don't even have the motivation to help yourself why should anyone, rich or poor, lend you a hand? Noone makes a child not do his homework. Or not go to class. Or drop out of school. Or not study. And to blame that on society is plain scapegoating.
AstroProdigy Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 No to blame that on society is to understand how society teaches these kids to fail and expects them to do so. If you know anything about psychology if you keep telling someone they're going to fail they'll eventually start failing.
NBVegita Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 I have a minor in psychology thank you. And for that, these parents are not telling these kids what they can't do. They're just not telling them that they can do. It's negativety that you are showing that would influence it. This is not all parents, as some people are wretched parents and do such things to their children, but yet again, its not my fault if someone has bad parents. If its ingrained in their minds for 18 years, giving them free college won't change their minds one bit.
AstroProdigy Posted October 13, 2006 Report Posted October 13, 2006 Their parents aren't providing a positive influence which is required for a developing person. It won't solve the problem to provide free college, but it will at least show that if you can work hard and get into college you won't be rejected because you don't have enough money.
NBVegita Posted October 13, 2006 Report Posted October 13, 2006 That has been my whole arguement! If you work hard I have no problem with you getting aid! My problem is giving aid to those who come from poor families, do nothing about it, and expect just because their parents invest in drugs supposed to the stock market that they deserve something. That's an awful stereotype about drugs, and I don't mean it for the majority. But that has seriously been my arguement from the beginning. If you work hard, poor or not, then you should, and do get aid for school. At least in NY, as this is the only state I can make the arguement for as I am not versed with other states college and financial laws. If you should go for free or not depends on how hard you worked. The harder you work, the more money you get. If you don't work hard, you don't get money. Should be that simple.
AstroProdigy Posted October 14, 2006 Report Posted October 14, 2006 Well ok then there's no debate about this. To do that you'd need to make college free, however, because if you get into college then you have worked hard enough to get there. You agree that they should be given the chance, but you disagree about what's actually needed for them to go. Your grades aren't necessarily a sign of how hard you work. The rich get tutors and SAT Kaplans classes and go to schools that are very easy on them gradewise. I know a girl who is less intelligent than most of my friends, but she went to a rich people's school and took all easy regents classes and then got curves in her grade and got a 100. However the valedictorian in that school got a 115. This girl goes to Harvard now even though she hasn't worked hard and she's not smart. That's why things aren't always that simple.
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