Bush's latest speech:

[Aileron]

BTW, I am learning arabic and have studied arabic culture extensively for somone who's day job is going to be math and physics.

 

Sever speaks of Iran as if it were Cuba, a small WMD wielding nation that happens to be at odds politically with the world's superpower. Clearly, while at this point the US doesn't like Cuba, Cuba's goals are self-preservation and self-advancement, which should be the goal of any good government. Because of that, they can be negotiated with and peace is possible.

 

Iran's goals are different though. They view their whole nation as a chess piece in some grand conflict between the West and Islam. What I mean by this is if they had an opportunity to destroy a larger piece at a cost of sacrificing themselves, they would take it. On the other hand, the Cuban government's goal strictly is to protect Cuba and make Cuba better, so they wouldn't make such a sacrifice.

 

Iran isn't dangerous because they disagree with western policy. They are dangerous because the glue that binds Iran to Tehran is religious fanaticism and as such their whole populace is willing to pay any price as long as their political opposition pays a higher price.

[AstroProdigy]

Lol Sever just because they're inefficient at it all that proves is that they'd take a while to make their own nukes.

 

Well said Aileron.

[SeVeR]

The fact that the US lied about Iran's current capability means nothing to you? You'll still believe the US when they say Iran "want" nukes and are "developing" nukes when they've lied about the very things they're trying to prove? You'd have to be re!@#$%^&*ed or incredibly !@#$%^&*-bent on believing the US government to trust the source of these allegations after they've lied to you. I think it's a bit of both.

 

Are you in denial? The US is the country slamming Iran all the time and telling everyone that Iran want nukes and then they go and lie to you about the capabilities of Iran to produce nukes... and all the while i;ve been trying to hammer it into your head that the US is falsely incriminating Iran before this latest evidence even came to light! How can you be so ignorant?!?!?! I'm almost ready to say i'm done with you, Your recent inability to answer arguments without insult, racism accusations or complete side-tracking stupidity were the mark of an ignoramous, but now your defiant reluctance to re!@#$%^&*ess your point of view based on this proof of what i've been saying all along just takes the cake. You're a re!@#$%^&*, you're a dumb!@#$%^&*, and i don't often say those thinngs to people.

 

Aileron:

Iran's goals are different though. They view their whole nation as a chess piece in some grand conflict between the West and Islam. What I mean by this is if they had an opportunity to destroy a larger piece at a cost of sacrificing themselves,

Zero evidence for this claim. The only evidence is Iran's defiance of the US demands which means nothing other than that they don't agree with what the US thinks. Your implication here is that they're a scheming (chess piece) and irrational (sacrificial) country, You have absolutely no good reason to think that. Prove it if you can.

 

Sever speaks of Iran as if it were Cuba, a small WMD wielding nation that happens to be at odds politically with the world's superpower.

Small WMD wielding nation?

[NBVegita]

Maybe its just me, but a country that is known as your nemesis is possibly trying to arm themselves with nuclear weapons...yeah I'll just stand in line to support that country...sure thing...

 

And as I've stated before, no matter how much anything has for either side there is a POSSIBILITY that they are working for nuclear weapons, along with the possibility that they might not be. Either way I don't want to start glowing anytime soon, so I don't mind my government taking extreme, possibly excessive precautions to protect me. I <3 protection.

 

Small weapons of m!@#$%^&* destruction wielding country.

 

Sorry got added onto my last post lol.

[AstroProdigy]

Iran wanting nukes has nothing to do with their lack of efficiency in creating the radioactive material for nukes. I don't think I've ever even cited or mentioned the alleged weapons grade material they've already produced in the whole thread, so your lame "you just eat what the Bush administration feeds you" fails again. I'm a re!@#$%^&*? Your the one who calls strongly for the support of people who would kill you and everyone you know because you are "infidels" and "heathens".

 

You're never gonna find evidence of Iran directly saying they want to create nukes so they can use them on the US...it's their words calling for our destruction that proves they'd be a threat if we allowed them to continue their nuclear program. Iran is irrational. Any country that's run by extremist power hungry clerics and a president who calls the Holocaust a myth is irrational. It's just a fact.

 

I love Europe and what they stand for, but I'm sick of their !@#$%^&*, let them do whatever they want and hope for the best approach to the world. You seem to have adopted that ideology. Europe could be just as powerful, if not more powerful than the US, and keep us in line when we're wrong and help us when we're right, but they seem to just want to let us do the dirty work and make themselves look enlightened.

[SeVeR]

Iran wanting nukes has nothing to do with their lack of efficiency in creating the radioactive material for nukes.

True, blindly stating the obvious neither answers my point or makes one.

So will you admit there is no evidence to suggest Iran want nukes?

 

They are creating radioactive material for use in nuclear reactors.

Will you admit there is no evidence that they are enriching material to weapons grade purity?

 

The US government has said they are enriching to weapons grade without any proof whatsoever.

Will you admit the US government is attempting to incriminate Iran with this lie?

 

I'm trying to keep it short and simple until you answer these questions without sidetracking the argument. Just answer either yes or no+reason.

 

Your the one who calls strongly for the support of people who would kill you and everyone you know because you are "infidels" and "heathens".

You're the paranoid Islamophobic idiot who thinks these "people" will kill you for no reason.

 

I love Europe and what they stand for, but I'm sick of their !@#$%^&*, let them do whatever they want and hope for the best approach to the world. You seem to have adopted that ideology.

More gross generalisations of an entire section of the world.

[AstroProdigy]

The smoking gun of Iran directly saying they want nukes to destroy the West isn't gonna happen. No one's that stupid.

 

To say it was a lie would mean they knew for sure it was a lie. It was more like the administration's standard ignoring the experts. However in this case it only means they'd be slower at making nukes.

 

These people hate the West and call for our destruction every Friday after prayers...how blind can you be to it.

 

True that was a generalization. France and Germany are the main appeasement induced countries. Britain might actually be willing to act if it's blatantly obvious of the intentions of Iran. So what if they launch nukes at us? It's their right isn't it? I mean we "created Israel" right? We're run by those darned Zions eh? We deserve nuclear annihalation right?

 

And for the record I'm not Islamophobic, I'm extremophobic. You're the one who seems to embrace extremism and call it your brother and !@#$%^&* those rich evil zions!

[Tiq]

These people hate the West and call for our destruction every Friday after prayers...how blind can you be to it.

These people? You don't know anything about what the PEOPLE of Iran think, only what the politicians think. You only know what the news shows you, and this makes you blind. Don't flatter yourself, bud. The vast majority of Arabs don't give a two-penny !@#$%^&* about bombing your precious nation into the ground, and that's a fact. This is why Americans are so afraid: because people like you, who really know nothing of what's going on overseas, claim that people, for absolutely no reason, want to murder them and their children. In reality, most of the world think that the States is filled with pompous, self-glorifying jack!@#$%^&*es who enjoy the McDonalds-esque scent of their own excrament. Arrogance, or claims that the world is constantly thinking of ways to undermine/destroy America, does not help better the image of America. If anything, it makes it look like a nation of paranoid pansies, to the rest of the world.

 

True that was a generalization. France and Germany are the main appeasement induced countries. Britain might actually be willing to act if it's blatantly obvious of the intentions of Iran. So what if they launch nukes at us? It's their right isn't it? I mean we "created Israel" right? We're run by those darned Zions eh? We deserve nuclear annihalation right?

 

Yeah, and the United States of America is the main fear-induced country. Don't try to bring the Jews in to back up your argument, the time is long gone when every Arab in the world wants to destroy Israel. You're looking at a small group of very organized terrorists, and judging an entire people based on what you see them do. The Atomic Bombs were dropped on Japan, I don't see them casting a wary glance towards the U.S., wondering when the next drop is gonna happen. No, they are doing something prodcutive: exploiting the vast U.S. market since the American-made products are currently crap.

 

 

And for the record I'm not Islamophobic, I'm extremophobic. You're the one who seems to embrace extremism and call it your brother and !@#$%^&* those rich evil zions!

 

No, you're an Islamophobic. Because you think that every Friday, Muslims pray for the destruction of you and your grandmother, and the Jews. People like ya gotta get over themselves: no one cares enough about you to want to kill you. Surprise Surprise!

[Aileron]

Jeez, the Bandwagon fallicy is used a lot here...apprantly if you don't agree with their views you are "ignorant".

 

 

One point about Iran is that unlike most of its neighbors it is not a dictatorship. It is actually a fairly democratic nation, only with radical people who are electing radicals.

 

There also have been several gatherings in Iran in which almost the entire civilian populace pledged their lives as suicide bombers should the US invade. That's not an act of aggression, but it is certainly an act of radicalism.

 

When the Danish print an offensive cartoon or the Pope quotes an offensive sentence, these people riot and start killing people. I've had my religion insulted plenty of times, but I haven't rioted or killed people about it.

 

And most of all, they say their goals are to destroy America. I mean, when a mob has gathered in the streets and chants "Death to America" is it irrational and paranoid to take them at their word? (as they are now after the pontiff's remarks - how does that make sense?)

 

 

France and Germany aren't stupid though. Their goals are the same as they always have been, balance of power. They seek to create a counterbalance to the US, by creating the EU and ignoring terrorists so that the US must pay the price of fighting them.

 

 

I think liberals judge people with a bowling handicap. They don't judge people by whether they are right or wrong but whether they are more or less moral from their usual behavior. For example, while the blatent acts of aggression from the middle east are wrong, such acts are typical for this part of the world, so liberals don't recognize it. Also, while the US' methods are still far in the high ground, we act acting less morally than we usually do, so liberals attack the US.

 

I'm just saying that in real life bowling handicaps do not apply, and one shouldn't dismiss radicals' radicalism just because its typical for them and you think they are never going to change.

[NBVegita]

Also we rebuilt japan after the war, and gave them the money and resources to build their current economy. People are money hungry, they can forgive us for killing so many if the price is right, and it was.

[AstroProdigy]

Tiq:

Iran is Persian not Arab...the people in Iran calling for our destruction is a fact. That's what's scary. It's not just the government that hates us they've got a popular base that hates us. Again...Iran is not even Arab.

 

Try to get even the most basic facts right please...Japan succeeding after World War 2 is because American products are crap? Do you understand globalisation at all? Japan succeeded because they moved their !@#$%^&*es away from dictatorships and towards democracy and capitalism and we supported them. A country isn't crap because it trades with other countries. That's pure economic ignorance right there.

 

Again, do your research before you throw insults: http://www.ghandchi.com/88-Normal.htm

 

Aileron:

The vast majority of Arabs would not bomb us, but they also don't have a problem with some of their people bombing us.

 

Iran is not democratic. They have elections for President, but his main power is to talk and scare people. The people who run everything are unelected extremist clerics. Then again the people of Iran decided the man who represents them is an extremist that calls for the death of the west.

 

France and Germany aren't stupid. They're just looking at their own interests and their own interests is to look soft on extremist Islam so their Islamic populations don't get mad.

 

Not all Democrats are weak on extremism...in the US we support Israel's right to exist and worry about extremist Islam just as much as Republicans.

 

Tiq:

Please tell me you're not Iranian because you don't seem to know anything about Iran even one of the most fundamental facts that they aren't Arabs.

[Tiq]

Tiq:

Iran is Persian not Arab...the people in Iran calling for our destruction is a fact. That's what's scary. It's not just the government that hates us they've got a popular base that hates us. Again...Iran is not even Arab.

My mistake about the Persian not Arab bit. The only fact about Iran is that their leader wants to build a nuke. That does not mean the entire population is calling for the destruction of America. You've got to learn to realize that foreign nations do not have some kind of an American Bloodlust. They do not necessarily call for the destruction of America as a nation. They are more often calling for a regime change in the States. And, let's face it, a number of Americans would also support a regime change.

 

 

Try to get even the most basic facts right please...Japan succeeding after World War 2 is because American products are crap? Do you understand globalisation at all? Japan succeeded because they moved their !@#$%^&*es away from dictatorships and towards democracy and capitalism and we supported them. A country isn't crap because it trades with other countries. That's pure economic ignorance right there.

 

I did not say that they were succeeding directly after WW2. I was pointing out that TODAY, foreign products, are superior to shoddy American-made goods. This is why America's Big 3, among other things, are falling flat as opposed to foreign made vehicles. And I did not say that a country is crap for relying on trading. I said the AMERICAN PRODUCTS ARE CRAP. There is a difference, realize that.

 

Tiq:

Please tell me you're not Iranian because you don't seem to know anything about Iran even one of the most fundamental facts that they aren't Arabs.

 

The only thing that you have in response to what I said is my mistake of saying that Iranians were Arabs as opposed to Persians. Other than that, you've fallen back on the same argument, which is that every single Iranian is calling for your head on a platter. It is this kind of paranoia that is a direct result of the media forcing fear down your throats. There is a fine line between being cautious, and being paranoid.

[AstroProdigy]

No I'm sure the ENTIRE population doesn't want to destroy America, but enough of them do (and the people who run them do and are able to propaganda more and more of them to want the same). Many foreign nations do have American bloodlust and for good reason. They're countries that we interfered with very negatively in the past. The more extreme of these don't just want to take Bush out of power. They want America to disappear or be very very weakened. When you add the absolutism of religion it's justified as us being evil heathens who deserve to die.

 

America's outsourcing problem is as much a result of Bush's incompetence supporting the pockets of big business over the m!@#$%^&* of Americans and the future of America as it is a natural result of the rest of the world moving up from poverty since we already had a tremendous monopoly on global markets. American products aren't crap. I don't know where you base that accusation. Other countries have a much cheaper work force since they haven't had anywhere near as much time to unionize and improve their living standards as we have. It's not that their products are superior. It's that their products are cheaper because they bairly pay their workers for their services.

 

Iranians not being Arabs is a momumentally important fact in the debate. I've made many arguments, although pointing out your utter lack of knowledge about Iran with that is an easy point you've given me. However that's not the only thing I said. There's also a fine line between being strong and weak. That line is the willingness to act on extremists who call for our destruction while at the same time claim innocence on the one thing that would give them the capability to destroy us.

[Aileron]

Its true Iran is a theocracy, but the president of Iran is actually an elected position. Its just that one needs approval from the clerics before running for the position. The social identifier that causes Iranians to view themselves as Iranians is religious fundimentalism and violence. Their whole governing system is contingent upon fighting a foreign nation, for without that common enemy the population of Iran would start asking critical questions of their way of life and start revolting.

 

While the elitist clerics are the ones who continue to feed the populace lines on how Israel and the US is the cause of all their woes and that our destruction would bring about happiness for Iran, on the other hand its the entire populace that believes them and inspires the clerics to go to lower and lower extremes. To that end it is both a top-down and bottom-up movement.

 

I guess the best disproof of your position is Iraq, for if you were right and all of it was Saddam and the Baathist government, all the Iraqis would be holding hands in the streets right now and singing kumbaya.

 

The key here seems to be the Kurds in Iran. The Kurds in Iraq are infact holding hands in the streets and singing kumbaya because Saddam is gone. The Kurds in Iran most likely also dislike their government and also have a positive opinion of us. If we can use them to get a voice to the Iranian populace enough so as to create an internal debate on policy, maybe we can diffuse this peacefully. All it would take is a couple TV stations other than Al Jazeera and maybe the populace's minds would change. (Though I'd be skeptical in terms of thinking one can change someone else's mind...it never happens here, and we are reasonable people.)

[AstroProdigy]

The Kurds in Iran are oppressed like the Kurds in Syria and to a greater extent Turkey. If the Kurds get a state in Iraq they'll be looking to free their brothers from the oppression of the oppressors who claim to be oppressed themselves by America (except with Turkey). Hyprocrits need to be put in their place.

[SeVeR]

Ail:

Their whole governing system is contingent upon fighting a foreign nation, for without that common enemy the population of Iran would start asking critical questions of their way of life and start revolting.

Holy crap dude... assume much?

 

Astro:

The smoking gun of Iran directly saying they want nukes to destroy the West isn't gonna happen. No one's that stupid.

You mean like America admitting they want to incriminate Iran to open the door to possible military action in the future? They wouldn't do that either, but i think America's done more to "let slip their intentions" haven't they. Iran has never indicated they want nukes, America has clearly indicated they're willing to lie to incriminate Iran.

 

To say it was a lie would mean they knew for sure it was a lie. It was more like the administration's standard ignoring the experts. However in this case it only means they'd be slower at making nukes.

Oh common... are you gonna believe the American intelligence services are that stupid? And to top it all of they did the same thing with incriminating Iraq! With the same excuse you're using now! Stupidity is no excuse.

 

Are you gonna sit back and tell me that America, a country that is digging harder than anyone to find dirt on Iran, is going to be ignorant to the facts about Iran? Or will you believe the far more probable conclusion that they are lying to incriminate a country they hate... with their own intelligence report as proof (UN calling it dishonest) with the additional evidence that they've done it before.

 

These people hate the West and call for our destruction every Friday after prayers...how blind can you be to it.

How blind can you be to believe that?

 

So what if they launch nukes at us? It's their right isn't it? I mean we "created Israel" right? We're run by those darned Zions eh? We deserve nuclear annihalation right?

They have a right to nuclear power, they don't have a right to launch nukes at anyone. We don't deserve nuclear annihilation. We do deserve peace.

 

And for the record I'm not Islamophobic, I'm extremophobic.

Ok you're extremophobic, but if you say this: "These people hate the West and call for our destruction every Friday after prayers", then that makes your extremophobia into Islamophobia.

 

You're the one who seems to embrace extremism and call it your brother and !@#$%^&* those rich evil zions!

What extremism do i embrace Astro?

[AstroProdigy]

American intelligence services are probably one of the best if not the best in the world. However, the people on top take the information any way they want and that's usually to fulfill a political goal.

 

The government doesn't hate Iran. They hated Iraq and they acted in kind. With Iran, however, we don't have an air blockade and strong economic sanctions crippling their economy and keeping them from making nukes. On top of that Iran is taking steps to be able to develop nukes much more easily.

 

It's a fact that the leaders of Iran rile up their people to call for the destruction of the west...

 

If they can keep everything open about their nuclear program and allow independent international observers to make sure they don't make nukes then I'm all for them having nuclear power.

 

The people of Iran are riled up into calling for our destruction every Friday after prayers. It's a fact. I'm not saying all Muslims do this as the vast majority of Muslims are in countries that are on good relations with the US.

 

You seem to be all for appeasing Islamic extremism to the point of giving a country like Iran the ability to create nukes. It's not so much that you embrace it as you do everything in your power to see how they can be absolutely right.

[SeVeR]

American intelligence services are probably one of the best if not the best in the world. However, the people on top take the information any way they want and that's usually to fulfill a political goal.

Exactly, so would you conclude that the American government chose to fulfill their agenda by selecting unsubstantiated information and passing it off as factual when knowing that there is contradictory information out there that has far more evidence to prove its worth? (lying in the most broken down form imaginable)

 

Still it's pretty hard to find a way of getting any evidence for weapons grade enrichment in Iran... i can't imagine an intelligence report standing up to any serious scrutiny that says such a thing. This is afterall why the UN called the US's report dishonest (lying).

 

So Astro, is there any doubt now that the US's "political agenda" is to incriminate Iran for possible future wars? Whether it be through direct falsification or by passing the buck through the intelligence services?

 

The government doesn't hate Iran.

I beg to differ. Bush's speeches, the big issue of "stopping Iran getting nukes" when they've never indicated they want that, the seemingly incriminating US report branded by the UN as dishonest. In my opinion Bush is doing everything to justify going to war in future, whether he ultimately decides to or not. I think that's grounds for hate.

 

On top of that Iran is taking steps to be able to develop nukes much more easily.

It comes with having nuclear power plants that some of the stages for nukes are in place. It's America's lack of trust based on contrasting worldviews that has created the issue of nukes.

 

It's a fact that the leaders of Iran rile up their people to call for the destruction of the west...

Actual destruction? Quotes please.

 

The people of Iran are riled up into calling for our destruction every Friday after prayers. It's a fact. I'm not saying all Muslims do this as the vast majority of Muslims are in countries that are on good relations with the US.

But when you say "the people of Iran" you are being far too general. Some people probably do say that, and who is to say they don't have good reason. Its a matter of: do we kill em or make peace by recognizing our wrongs and putting them right (the tried and tested way). I'm not talking appeasement, i'm talking about reversing our wrongs in anyway possible. Its Bush who is turning this into an "ideological struggle" against evil terrorists for the simple reason that he doesn't want comprimise. He doesn't even talk to Admadinejad despite the many attempts by the Iranians to engage in diplomacy.

 

You seem to be all for appeasing Islamic extremism to the point of giving a country like Iran the ability to create nukes. It's not so much that you embrace it as you do everything in your power to see how they can be absolutely right.

I don't excuse Islamic extremism, i despise it as much as Christian extremism. I asked you in the last post about what extremism you think i embrace because all you are doing here is connecting my agreement with Iranian opinion as extremist. Have i said anything extreme? I've told you how i think things should be resolved with the dissolution of Israel, the recognition of wrongs followed by compensation and apology.... this is all very unextreme if you believe the creation of Israel was wrong (and you don't have to be extreme to believe that).

 

I don't think Hezbollah are extremist, and neither are those who fight against the US in Iraq. Those who preach anti-US and anti-Israel sentiment are also no more extreme than people like Bush who preach the opposite. In fact i would compare your opinion that they call for our destruction every Friday to the more extremist opinions of the US by Iranians. By calling them extremists many like you would happily see their deaths just like those in Iran who are as extreme as you would see the opposite situation.

[AstroProdigy]

In a country that's run by unelected clerics even a bare majority support is much more effective than a democratic country with the government having a bare majority.

 

Thinking you can just dissolve Israel after all that's happened and that it'd a piece of cake is extreme.

 

The US would not invade or attack Iran if Iran wasn't trying to get the one capability able to do serious damage on US soil.

[SVS]

In a country that's run by unelected clerics even a bare majority support is much more effective than a democratic country with the government having a bare majority.

 

Thinking you can just dissolve Israel after all that's happened and that it'd a piece of cake is extreme.

 

The US would not invade or attack Iran if Iran wasn't trying to get the one capability able to do serious damage on US soil.

 

The fear isn't so much that Iran will get and use nuclear weapons, the fear is more that once they acquire them they will provide them to extremist factions who WILL use them. Although I really don't know how rational that fear is. It doesn't take a genious to forsee the US obliterating Iran if an Iranian made nuke ends up taking a chunk out of a US city.

 

Just the fact that the US still has enough nuclear weapons to completely destroy the earth should be enough to prevent even the most pyschotic leader from helping proliferate nuclear weapons. Just one US ICBM is enough to entirely wipe out most countries. It is fairly frightening to think about

 

This doesn't mean we should allow them to go ahead and develop them, just because other nations possess them doesn't mean everyone should have them. It would be nice to go back in time and kill any person who ever considered using fision to create weapons but that is unrealistic. We have to live with the situation we have been dealt and it is better off for everyone involved if LESS not MORE nations have nuclear arsenals.

[AstroProdigy]

I didn't even think about Iran giving nukes to extremist factions elsewhere to detonate. Now that you mention it they can do this and take out New York City and then go "who could have done such a thing?" Here's another reason why I'm extreme on not appeasing Iran. I live in NYC along with my family and friends. When Iran gets to the point of making nukes we're all dead. Hopefully I'll be gone by then, but my family will still be there and Sever will say "it wasn't Iran that did it because they're denying and you need a magic declaration or else we must trust Iran to be a rational extremist cleric run strongly anti US state so let's do nothing" while they prepare to take out LA and Chicago.

[SeVeR]

This doesn't mean we should allow them to go ahead and develop them, just because other nations possess them doesn't mean everyone should have them.

Agreed. Good thing Iran don't want nukes, aren't making nukes and have never expressed a desire to have nukes.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm

 

Iran's not the racist, terrorist, !@#$%^&*-hole you've been led to believe. I used this point before, citing sources of Iran's significantly large Jewish population, receiving no reply other than "you're blind to think they won't massacre everyone". Not only that, but Astro, you didn't make much of a reply to the points in my last post.

[SVS]

This doesn't mean we should allow them to go ahead and develop them, just because other nations possess them doesn't mean everyone should have them.

Agreed. Good thing Iran don't want nukes, aren't making nukes and have never expressed a desire to have nukes.

 

 

 

The reason why no one cares to read your posts Sever is you keep posting your opinions as absolute facts.

 

You have no way of knowing Iran's intention for nuclear weapons (for sure), none of us do. If your opinion is that their goal is not to ever develop a nuclear warhead that is fine, go ahead and state that. But stop stating your opinions as absolute facts especially when it is obvious you have no way of knowing the accuracy of your statement.

[SeVeR]

The reason why no one cares to read your posts Sever is you keep posting your opinions as absolute facts.

Opinions as facts? Like saying "no-one reads your posts"? I've called you a hypocrite at least five times in the last month and here we go again... in the space of one sentence. Does everything you say get piped in through the ears and regurgitated by the mouth because its difficult to believe how someone could become this hypocritical whilst being capable of independent logical thinking. I mean common... in the same god!@#$%^&*ed sentence! I gotta say though this one was the funniest, its effectively saying "The reason why i'm presenting this critical opinion of you as an absolute fact is because you keep posting opinions as absolute facts". Go criticise yourself and while you're at it dig yourself a hole, shoot yourself in the foot and throw !@#$%^&* at a fan.

 

You have no way of knowing Iran's intention for nuclear weapons (for sure), none of us do.

Iran never expressing a desire for nukes in addition to there being no evidence that Iran want nukes is grounds for saying they don't want nukes. To consider them wanting nukes would no different than considering America in a plot for world domination and attempting to impose sanctions or possible military action as a result. You would say that there is no evidence and no known desire by America for such a thing, much like i'm saying the same about Iran now. You can't just take a remote unsubstantiated possibility as a reason to punish. So yes, we can never be absolutely certain but when there is no evidence, why is the issue even being raised? Raised by America... a country that has lied in a recent report to incriminate Iran, a report condemned by the UN as dishonest. It doesn't take a genius to put those pieces together.

 

But stop stating your opinions as absolute facts especially when it is obvious you have no way of knowing the accuracy of your statement.

Next we'll be saying Venezuala want nukes and it'll be all over the news for the simple reason that its wanted there to keep the option to invade that country open.

[AstroProdigy]

Sorry let me reply to your claim about the Jews in Iran. Iran has a Jewish population half the size as it used to be that has absolutely no access to the outside Jewish world and no ability to leave and is oppressed. I didn't reply because I wrote out a long post and then couldn't post it because copying and pasting ur quotes was not allowed and when I put what I wrote on a word do!@#$%^&*ent to put up later, but it turns out copying and pasting is not allowed.

 

Venezuela is hardly anywhere near the level of Iran. Venezuela is a socialist democracy. Iran is a theocracy. That's a huge difference. Not only that, but Iran's extremist clerics have been goating on the people for decades to hate us and wish us dead. Let me rewrite my response to the other post if it's important to you.