Bush's latest speech:

[SeVeR]

Is anyone else tired of Bush throwing around the word "terrorist" to describe every individual fighting America in the same way as the 9/11 attackers? Hasn't he tapped into public anger enough? It's bad enough that he got the go-ahead for questionable wars based on public desire for vengeance, but when will his definition of the word terrorist come under scrutiny? Not everyone fighting America and Israel is a terrorist who would gladly fly a plane into a building, very few would do that. The enemy is not absolute evil, the enemy is those who disagree with US foreign policy enough to fight the US. Fighting the US is something that comes alot easier to those directly affected in the Middle East. Comparing those who fight with the US to the 9/11 terrorists is a disgrace.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5301720.stm

 

He said those who brought down the World Trade Center in New York five years ago were united with car bombers in Baghdad, Hezbollah militants who shot rockets into Israel, and terrorists who had recently attempted to bring down flights between Britain and the US.

 

And there you have it. If you disagree with the creation of Israel enough to fight Israel then you're a terrorist. If you disagree with the occupation of Iraq enough to fight America then you're a terrorist. !@#$%^&*... if i lived in either of those countries i'd probably be a dead "terrorist" right about now. Car bombs are not terrorist attacks, they're attacks on occupying soldiers by militants who cannot fight in the conventional way against a technologically superior force. Firing rockets into Israel after Israel bombs your cities and kills civilians is not a terrorist attack either.

 

"Despite their differences, these groups form the outline of a single movement, a worldwide network of radicals that use terror to kill those who stand in the way of their totalitarian ideology," he said.

 

Now he has established that anyone who fights America is a terrorist, he is attempting to consolidate these people into one single organised movement that is out to kill you if you don't want to be under their totalitarian rule. If anything "their ideology" is to be free of the US and Israel.

 

"And the unifying feature of this movement, the link that spans sectarian divisions and local grievances, is the rigid conviction that free societies are a threat to their twisted view of Islam."

 

Islam allows people to fight occupying powers such as America and Israel. Those that fight are not twisted. Those that fly planes into buildings are, there's a difference. Free societies are America's view of what is right, it's not Islams. Islam see's corruption in America's society. You can't "free" Islam since they're a religious society which is not supposed to be free even if they did believe America's society to be uncorrupt.

 

We would be handing Iraq over to our worst enemies - Saddam's former henchmen, armed groups with ties to Iran, and al-Qaeda terrorists from all over the world who would suddenly have a base of operations far more valuable than Afghanistan under the Taleban."

 

So America leaving would apparently make things worse? Worse than the 100,000 people that have died in Iraq in recent years? If we leave they'll fight eachother for some sort of power until maybe Iran invades and brings the peace that exists in their country.

 

The president also condemned the government of Iran, which he said was supporting terrorist groups like Hezbollah and defying the international community with its nuclear activities.

 

I support Hezbollah too, they're not a terrorist group. If i had American oil money to p!@#$%^&* around to my allies i'd probably give some to Hezbollah too, since they agree with my opinion that Israel should be geographically wiped off the map.

 

"It is time for Iran to make a choice. We've made our choice - we will continue to work closely with our allies to make a diplomatic solution, but there must be consequences for Iran's defiance and we must not allow Iran to develop a nuclear weapon," he said.

 

There is no proof that they want a nuclear weapon!!! Iran have the same opinion they had at the beginning in that they have a right to nuclear power. For the US it doesn't matter that they actually do have this right, all that matters to them is that they don't TRUST Iran, and that is enough for them to force-feed the population of the US with incriminating crap about Iran whilst attempting to force sanctions through the UN. Thankfully China and Russia won't stand for it. Iran must not be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon. Agreed. There is no evidence that they want one.

 

Consequences for defiance?!?! I don't care how powerful America is, no-one should be forced to give into these threats.

 

If all you reading this can't see it then i don't know what to say anymore, Bush has put everyone fighting America into the same boat as the 9/11 terrorists to bring them all into that nice little group labelled "absolute evil". He's incriminated Iran who have not done anything illegal and have never pledged to do anything illegal. The propaganda used by this man is incredibly offensive and i feel sorry for all those who believe it.

 

Thoughts?

[AstroProdigy]

Just because one extreme is wrong doesn't mean the other extreme is right either.

[Aileron]

What can I say? He's right about all those points as long as you don't magnify insignificant details.

 

Its nice to see you actually watched or read his speech from the source...Bush makes a lot more sense as a primary source than when mentioned by a secondary source.

[AstroProdigy]

I don't see any side that's totally right really. It just looks like extreme versus extreme versus Europe's !@#$%^&* politics.

[ThunderJam]

Id agree with a lot of stuff in there, didnt quiet read the whole end of the post...

 

except for the part about car bombs not being terrorist. If car bombs only went off at enemy military occupied positions, id agree, but car bombs are killing civilians.

 

*Went back and read the end* Edits:

 

You want to wipe israel off the map?

 

Iran flat out defies the UN on their nuclear position, you think thats fine too?

[NBVegita]

First off, note the 3 events he brought up, were all attacks attempted, or made on civilian people. Thus making it not an act of war, thus what else is the world supposed to call it?

 

Second, I am an american, and !@#$%^&* I fully support protecting my country. When it comes down to it, I could care less if we go in and wipe half the god!@#$%^&* world off the map. Because as long as my !@#$%^&* stays safe, thats my major concern. No I lied, I do care about other countries, as we all rely on each other for so much. But honestly, the UN has declared, not the United states, that Iran should desist any nuclear experimentation for the time being. A direct quote from the iranian president says he feels they should have the rights to nuclear weapons. As an american I fully support them not having nuclear bombs to send at us.

 

Honestly as the guys above said, its not black and white, right and wrong, but honestly most of what you said in my opinion, is just unsounded and full of more anti-american/bushism, than facts. I'll be the first to admit that bush has plenty of faults, but he is our president, and always doing what he feels is the best for our country, I feel that he deserves some moderation of respect for doing that at least. One thing you can't take away from him is that he loves our country.

 

And if the UN told the United states to disarm our nuclear weapons, I'd bet you'd be the first in line to see that happen.

 

Maybe you guys can help me with the whole Anti-america syndrome. I have no less respect for any country, or its leader(s), but the rest of the world seems to hate america. Yeah we're far from perfect, but so are all of you. We're no better than you, and you're no better than us. We're all people. Thats what I love most about these forums I love hearing your opinions and views. I just hate when I see such seeming biased views posted based of the animosity of a country and or governing body.

[AstroProdigy]

We'd never disarm our nuclear weapons no matter what. It's not even a question that we need a nuclear weapons arsenal to make sure countries like Russia and China are always kept at bay.

 

I don't know how you can be surprised why people hate America. People hate America because our leaders talk freedom and then support oppressive dictatorships and topple democracies in support of pro American dictators. Bush takes it to extremes and they've made way too many mistakes to be respected anymore. Our only ally there is the Kurds and watch us turn against them because we think Turkey is a more important ally. That's why people hate us and extremists like bin Laden capitalize on it. If you look into the history of our actions there are lots of countries that have reason to hate us.

[SeVeR]

If Bush puts car-bombers and Hezbollah in the same boat as 9/11 terrorists then he is clearly attempting to sway public opinion in favour of putting all these groups into the same boat as the terrorists who we all condemn as being the closest thing to absolute evil. It cannot be more clear and i ask you to explain where you think there is bias.

 

You need only look at history to see the parallels with previous wars. The enemy is always portrayed in the worst possible light through propaganda and choice of words. The word of choice to imply absolute evil since 9/11 has been the word terrorist. Bush shouldn't be allowed to use this word to describe everyone who just happens to be at war with the US and Israel. It's blatent propaganda designed to harness public opinion for the war. I cannot be anymore clear. You can say i'm anti-Bush or anti-american all you want, it won't make this any less obvious to the historians and the political analysts out there.

 

But honestly, the UN has declared, not the United states, that Iran should desist any nuclear experimentation for the time being.

We all know who brought this issue to the forefront, pushed for sanctions, incriminated Iran through the press and even threatened military action. The US holds sway over Britain and those two countries hold sway over many others. If it wasn't for China and Russia things would be alot different. The UN "declaring" something means very little, they declared it because the US and Britain wouldn't rest otherwise, it was the diplomatic way of saying "ok we'll go along with it for now and hope Iran and the US can come to an agreement in the time being". The fact that Iran has said "no thankyou, we won't suc!@#$%^&*b to your threats and are insulted by your incrimination of our country" means that now the UN has to decide whether to act or not and i firmly believe that China and Russia won't let that happen, i even hope that France and Germany come through in the end too. Making a deadline is a diplomatic act to appease the US, nothing more, it doens't mean the UN will stop Iran getting nuclear fuel at any cost and it doesn't mean they think its wrong for Iran to get that power either.

 

Honestly as the guys above said, its not black and white, right and wrong

Exactly NBV, this is exactly what i'm trying to say! This is a difference of opinion and not the good vs evil fight the US is making it out to be by putting everyone in the same boat as the 9/11 terrorists! I'm not saying i'm absolutely right to have my opinions, i only disagree with the propoganda being used by Bush to imply that he is absolutely right and they are absolute evil (9/11 terrorists being the closest thing to absolute evil). He is using 9/11 hatred to harness public opinion for his wars!

 

And if the UN told the United states to disarm our nuclear weapons, I'd bet you'd be the first in line to see that happen.

If there was no reason for them to disarm then i wouldn't support it. If the Islamic world didn't "trust" the US with bombs then i wouldn't support it either. My values are universal - a lack of trust is no reason to deny a right.

 

 

ThunderJam:

except for the part about car bombs not being terrorist. If car bombs only went off at enemy military occupied positions, id agree, but car bombs are killing civilians.

There are always civilian casualties from weapons intended for soldiers, just look at the recent conflict in Lebanon.

 

You want to wipe israel off the map?

Yes, i want the UN to come to a consensus about the removal of Israel. The UN should then supervise the evacuation of the Jewish population from Palestine before giving the land back to the people who occupied it for 1300 years prior to to 1947.

 

Iran flat out defies the UN on their nuclear position, you think thats fine too?

If the UN does anything more than appease the US by setting deadlines, i'd be very surprised. Iran has a right to nuclear power, there should be no discussion about that. I don't want to see this lack of trust for Iran bring about another war.

[Tiq]

If the UN does anything more than appease the US by setting deadlines, i'd be very surprised. Iran has a right to nuclear power, there should be no discussion about that. I don't want to see this lack of trust for Iran bring about another war.

 

The United States do not have the resources necessary to successfully subdue both Iran and Iraq. Look what's happened in Iraq: a flood of terrorists, considering the fact that there is weak border control. Terrorists foreign to Iraq see Iraq as an ideal place to gather, and because so many of them are gathered, the United States spends more and more resources. The U.S. can't afford to stretch their resources so thin...but given Bush's history, I am not going to bet that he WON'T try to subdue Iran

[Dr.Worthless]

So he calls Hezbollah and Car Bombers into the terrorist camp and you interpret that as "Everyone who fights the US is a terrorist."

 

Stop being puposefully inflamitory and partisan, everyone can see it, and it makes you look stupid at too.

[NBVegita]

Every country has reasons for half the world to hate them. !@#$%^&* look at Germany, according to your thinking all of europe should still hate and loathe germany. We should still hate japan, I mean after all they did bomb pearl harbor. I'm not saying that there are not countries who should dislike us, but cmon no one, nor any country is perfect. I could sit here and dissect all of the other countries, but it just isn't worth my time.

[AstroProdigy]

Sever:

Of course because we don't trust a country they don't get to make nukes. Cmon you think we're gonna allow people who call for our destruction every Friday after prayer to get the weapons that would allow them to do it? Are you insane? The UN doesn't just appease the US...that's a very ignorant statement like many of the statements you make. If China and Russia don't support sanctions you think it's because they think Iran has a right to and should have nuclear weapons? BULL!@#$%^&*ING!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*! They want Iran's considerable oil supply flowing into their developing economies. If we told them they could steal the oil if they invaded you'd see pretty fast the support they have for Iran's right to nuclear weapons.

 

Tiq:

We haven't even begun to tap into our true capabilities. We tried to occupy Iraq on the cheap and that's why there was a problem. If we had the motivation to reinstate a draft we could scramble a million much better trained soldiers into Iran and occupy them as long as we want. !@#$%^&* we could commit genocide pretty easily if we were as extremist as they are.

 

Sever:

If they could they WOULD m!@#$%^&* murder us. That's why our modern society has the power and their ignorant extremist society can't even get nukes. I know appeasement sounds nice and fair (unless it's the Jews then let's go wipe their country off the map because they're all a bunch of evil rich people right?), but COME ON! Letting them get nuclear weapons would be the most re!@#$%^&*ed thing we could do. Letting extremists who hate us get the means to destroy us is along the lines of France and England letting the Nazis take over. No rational person who looks into the issue more than superficially would want Israel wiped off the map nor would they think Iran as they are now should be allowed to develop nuclear weapons. You'll thank the vast majority of us who are rational when you're not dead from the radiation poisoning later.

[Aileron]

Actually its more !@#$%^&*anine Astro, the Nazis atleast settled for other European nations to surrender. These extremists stand for TOTAL annihilation of all that do not share their views. The suicide bomber mentality is the complete opposite of the "live and let live" policy held by sane people, for the suicide bomber hates his enemy more than he loves his life.

 

Its amazing though considering that huge oil deposit found in the Gulf of Mexico. Now oil prices are down and Iran's stance is starting to soften.

[SeVeR]

Astro:

nor would they think Iran as they are now should be allowed to develop nuclear weapons.

Do Iran WANT nuclear weapons?

 

If you honestly think they want nuclear weapons, what made you believe that? They have a right to nukes although i understand that we can't trust them with one, however they've only expressed a desire for nuclear power.

 

If they could they WOULD m!@#$%^&* murder us.

What made you think that?

 

unless it's the Jews then let's go wipe their country off the map because they're all a bunch of evil rich people right?

Uh, no, i don't have any religious preference. They are wealthy! This is not a racial sterotype lol.... and as for evil, certainly not! This is a matter of who lived on the land for 1300 years prior to the last 60. Since 60 years ago a war has been raging. Its up to us to take a side.

 

No rational person who looks into the issue more than superficially would want Israel wiped off the map

A very many rational people want Israel removed.

 

You'll thank the vast majority of us who are rational when you're not dead from the radiation poisoning later.

Once again, no-one's said they want nukes, the only reason you're talking about nukes right now is because the issue has been raised by the US government who want people to fear Iran for the sake of guaranteeing public opinion. Its complete poppy!@#$%^&*, Iran has never said they want nukes.

 

The UN doesn't just appease the US...that's a very ignorant statement like many of the statements you make.

Actually its an obvious statement that you seem to be very dismissive about. If China and Russia agree to set a deadline yet won't agree to sanctions then they are appeasing the US. As sanctions won't get passed without China and Russia it means the UN is appeasing the US. Its like a police officer agreeing to "have a word" with the person who attacked you but not arresting them because there is no proof they did attack you. That's appeasement, it doesn't mean the police officer agrees you you just like it doesn't mean China and Russia agree with the US when they agree to set a deadline for Iran. We know this since China and Russia won't agree to sanctions.

 

If China and Russia don't support sanctions you think it's because they think Iran has a right to and should have nuclear weapons? BULL!@#$%^&*ING!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!

Yes! To think you know anymore than that is extremely presumptious!

 

Ail:

Its amazing though considering that huge oil deposit found in the Gulf of Mexico. Now oil prices are down and Iran's stance is starting to soften.

What a God-send that is. The US may finally decide to butt-out of other countries affairs.... yeah right!

 

Worthless:

So he calls Hezbollah and Car Bombers into the terrorist camp and you interpret that as "Everyone who fights the US is a terrorist."

..the US and Israel" Then yea, thats about it. Who else is fighting the US and Israel? I think he covered the Taliban in another speech. We can change that "everyone" to "most" if you like, i don't care, my point still remains. You're just being a parrot again, picking away at insignificant detail.

 

Stop being puposefully inflamitory and partisan, everyone can see it, and it makes you look stupid at too.

You're the most inflammatory person on this board but then again i never expected you to know what the word means, you spelt it wrong afterall. I mean, every post you make on this board contains an insult, earlier in the Lebanon topic you even expressed a desire for an "internet reputation", it's incredibly funny, i bet you even have a myspace page aswell, will you ever stop compensating for real-life failure? Is that what "worthless" means?

 

Tiq:

The U.S. can't afford to stretch their resources so thin...but given Bush's history, I am not going to bet that he WON'T try to subdue Iran

Well maybe you're right. I think he's keeping the option open though. Look at the build-up to the war in Iraq. All of a sudden Iraq was hitting the news when in actuality Iraq had done nothing new in recent years to trigger that kind of attention. For some reason though the media was doing story after story about Iraq until suddenly Bush invaded. Bush needs to sway public opinion before going to war, only now are we all asking the question "why the !@#$%^&* did we go there in the first place". The same thing is happening with Iran, Iran have been developing nuclear power for many years but only now is it plastered all over the news with implications that Iran wants a nuke. Its no reason to think he will invade but Bush has got the preliminary process done within the media.

[Tiq]

Tiq:

We haven't even begun to tap into our true capabilities. We tried to occupy Iraq on the cheap and that's why there was a problem. If we had the motivation to reinstate a draft we could scramble a million much better trained soldiers into Iran and occupy them as long as we want. !@#$%^&* we could commit genocide pretty easily if we were as extremist as they are.

 

Of course a draft is a near impossibility given the hostile atmosphere that would be created as a result of people being forced into the military. I am not at all questioning America's ability to cause death on a massive scale. Would be relatively ignorant to do that since there are a number of incidences that would destroy that argument. Hitler thought that he could take Russia, Europe, and North Africa in one fell swoop. He had absolute control over Germany and could thus exploit its power completely, and he still failed to hold on to any of those areas in the end. Bush does not have anything close to that kind of power, so he will be hardpressed to occupy three Middle Eastern nations while trying to maintain order and/or catch terrorists.

 

 

Well maybe you're right. I think he's keeping the option open though. Look at the build-up to the war in Iraq. All of a sudden Iraq was hitting the news when in actuality Iraq had done nothing new in recent years to trigger that kind of attention. For some reason though the media was doing story after story about Iraq until suddenly Bush invaded. Bush needs to sway public opinion before going to war, only now are we all asking the question "why the !@#$%^&* did we go there in the first place". The same thing is happening with Iran, Iran have been developing nuclear power for many years but only now is it plastered all over the news with implications that Iran wants a nuke. Its no reason to think he will invade but Bush has got the preliminary process done within the media.

 

Bush's scare tactics were most effective prior to Iraq, because that was when the terror alerts and what not were still new to the public. Everyone and their grandmother was afraid of dying at the hands of some temperamental/misguided Muslim youths. Today, people look at Iraq and see a cluster!@#$%^&* of mistakes, and a !@#$%^&*storm of conflict. They also see their sons and daughter dying daily. Enough families have received one of those "notes of regret" to decide that going to war with another country is not in their best interest. So while Bush is employing similar scare tactics, and while in this case Iran may actually be a threat, people are more hesitant than ever to send more soldiers into the Middle East. So as much as Bush may want to go into Iran, I'm thinkin' that the American people will not readily stand for it if they still have people in Iraq...then again, the American people voted Bush back into office because of the gay marriage issue. Give 'em a second chance, I say.

[NBVegita]

The problem is with the united states is exaclty what you said about the draft. When 9/11 happened in the us, there was talk of a draft, kinda as a passing rumor, but over half of the people I knew, men and women said they'd flee to canada before they'd stand up and fight for their country. And it wasn't just because they didn't believe or disbelieve in what they'd be fighting for. I think the majority of americans have become womanized, and I don't want to sound sexist in that, just using a stereotypical phrase. People are afraid to fight for themselves or their country. They love to hide behind the government, and then turn around and criticize that very same government. Its a rediculous shame. The official death count of US soldiers since 9/11 in the middle east is 2999 (according to cnn). that is a very very small number. Think about the thousands we've lost in other wars and campaigns. But people want to hide around the governments protection, and then yell at them for how they do it. I mean honestly, if the Bush administration had not begun things in the middle east they would to this day be under constant scrutiny from National affairs as to "why they're doing nothing to stop this terrorism" Its the biggest !@#$%^&*ing catch 22 in the book.

 

Although I am one, I have a huge issue with how a large part of the american citizens carry themselves. Its like they forgot how hard our forefathers fought for everything we have.

 

If there was a draft tomorrow, and my name was called, I'd be the first in line, with no regrets.

[Tiq]

I think pansified is a more appropriate term.

 

I do not believing in fighting for that which you don't believe in, which is why I would be hardpressed to participate in Iraq. That and I have personal reasons.

 

...But I love this country, and if it came to a draft, I would not be the first in line, but I wouldn't turn tail and run if they came knockin' on my door.

[TeHsU]

What defines Extreme? is defense extreme? is the right to take away the right to create a nuclear powerplant an extreme? FIRST You have to understand how extreme each side is before you say extreme, look at what country has done what, you speak from modern history, go back to the 40s, research, then tell us who is really extreme

 

 

 

No, we(Muslims) do not want to wipe Israel off the map, if anyone says so is in wrong doing, we want it moved out of Palestine, and if it is there, it should not occupy the mainland, Palestine should not have been denied becoming a state since it was already a state, hope you know the history seems like you dont. and Iran flat out defies the UN because the UN states you can not have Nuclear Technology, the day you trust the Islamic Government will be the day Peace will reach every part of this world.

 

 

 

Hypocracy is Democracy of America

 

 

 

What he said, Iran has the RIGHT to nuclear power, Iran wil NOT create a nuclear bomb, and the day they create a nuclear bomb, I will drop my religion and will not believe in God.

 

 

One thing I've learned is that the U.S. is not innocent in creating Terrorists, dont forget that the government has created many terrorists, and terrorists do stay loyal to there leader, remember how these people received power.

 

 

 

How come a defense unit has become a terrorist? Hezbollah is the defense for Lebanon, they are not a terrorist group, if anyone is a terrorist it is America

 

 

 

You speak like Japan only did stuff, dont forget the Atomic bombs that USA dropped, You are still in fault even if they started it, quit pointing fingers and take the blame.

 

 

Which country calls for the destruction of USA? Where do you get your information from? I attend friday prayers, we call destruction to the government that hosts people that want to commit genocide against muslims, not against the people of that country, remember Politicians are not normal people!

 

 

Your telling me that 8 Trillion dollars is cheap? What is expensive? if we have such trained soldiers, then why arent they there finishing the war, what is taking so long, You dont even know what extremist means, you say it like the definition is definite, but you forget to realize that your country is committing genocide, We !@#$%^&* Israel, not the people, we say that the country is placed in the wrong part of the world, Palestine did not do anything, Germany did, Take the germans land(no offense to anyone), UN is controlled by USA, if USA received a NO for the Iraq war, why did they go in?

 

 

 

 

Its amazing how gullible you are, I wonder whats in November? Oh wait Elections, and what do the Republicans Control, oh wait, Oil Prices, so whats going to happen, Price Drops.. Your ignorant, you think that all of a sudden right before elections they find oil deposits? Bull!@#$%^&*, they've been pumping Iraq, You need to put A and B together and quit listening to the news

 

 

 

[Witchie NL]

these posts are to long for me to read :S

i think bush is a !@#$%^&*.

[Aileron]

Its not gullibility...large economic forces such as the prices of commodities are beyond anybody's control. Besides, I was talking about the supply moreso than prices. Unless Bush has a magic wand with which he can conjure up oil deposits I think the recent discovery has nothing to do with Republicans seeking re-election.

 

TeHsu, we aren't talking about the policy of the entire Islamic world, this is about Iran's policy. Their official policy is indeed wipeing Israel off the map.

 

And we are innocent from creating terrorists because most of the root causes occured before this country was founded. When Bin Laden talks about re-conquering Andalucia from Christian rule, what could we possibly do to negotiate with that? (BTW "Andalucia" is known in the modern world as Spain) Don't get me wrong, the US isn't innocent, but most of these problems were created by the Mongols and the Ottomans, and the Middle East has advanced so slowly that these problems simply haven't been solved yet.

[AstroProdigy]

Sever:

How naive are you to think Iran doesn't want nuclear weapons?

 

The Jews are all rich people? Stereotype anyone?

 

There is no 60 years war. It's a figment of your imagination. A war is not qualified by changing enemies and various periods of peace. That's ridiculous.

 

China and Russia supporting a deadline is because they agree Iran should not be allowed to have nuclear weapons, but the oil they can get from Iran if they don't impose sanctions also has an effect on them.

 

Iran and Iraq are totally different situations. Iraq had no weapons of m!@#$%^&* destruction, while Iran is developing them and glad to talk about it. It's like you think Iran is some sort of "God's country" and that the people there are holier than the rest of the world and would never commit dishonest acts nor do things for their own interests.

 

NBVegita:

In the past the enemy had an obvious ability to attack us at home. Today an invasion of the US is impossible. However, a nuclear attack would be devastating. If they actually hit us with a nuke I think the people of the US would give the government the ok to massacre at least millions in Iran.

 

As for the draft after 9/11, from where I was I'm sure the vast majority of people would have accepted their drafts. Then again, Bush has already demolished all the unity brought by 9/11 and then some.

 

TeHsU:

A nuclear powerplant is a very nice excuse for a country sitting on the world's biggest oil supply, but let's be honest about the REAL intentions here.

 

Any country that get's nuclear weapons is a bad thing. An extremist one at that is a tragedy waiting to happen.

 

Palestine was already its own state? I believe it was controlled by the Ottoman Empire and then Britain and then Israel came to being.

 

Well let's have an imaginary situation where wiping Israel out of the Middle East is not wiping it off the map. It's a nice situation isn't it? Ok now wake up to reality.

 

The day we appease an extremist society that calls for the deaths of the infidels (me, my family, all my friends and extended aquantences) is the day that we are re!@#$%^&*ed pussies.

 

"Hypocrysy is Democracy of America"...nice soundbyte. I got one. "Extremist Islam is Destruction of the World if we're too !@#$%^&* to fight back"...oops too long.

 

I don't think you'll REALLY drop your religion for that. Iran will not make nuclear weapons because chances are we'd stop them before they finished them. If Iran made nuclear weapons then we could go "oops we were too re!@#$%^&*ed to see what was blatantly obvious" and then poof we're dead.

 

The US is not innocent. No country is innocent. The US has made many mistakes, but that's not an excuse to Iran to do whatever they want.

 

LOL at how many times extremists say "America is the terrorist". We are also the infidels and deserve to die right?

 

We nuked Japan...which just goes to show no countries should have nukes. Iran making nukes solves this?

 

I never said the war was cheap. I said the government wanted to fight the war on the cheap, but their blunders have ended that. Here's how we get rid of our government. We vote them out of office. Here's how you get rid of your government. You chop their heads off and praise God for blessing you the right to kill people and set up oppressive dictatorships.

 

REMEMBER EXTREMISTS ARE NOT NORMAL EITHER AND NEITHER ARE CLERICS!

 

The UN said no on the Iraq War so we control them? Are you re!@#$%^&*ed? The fact we went in shows that they don't have the power to enforce their decisions not that their decisions are always in line with our own agenda.

 

Take the Germans land instead? What makes you think Arabs have more of a right to hold all the land they have than Germans? For one, the area you call Palestine was a small population emigrant region before Israel. On top of that Palestinian is not an ethnic group. It's a manufactured term. Saying it's an ethnic group losing their country sounds better for your cause, but the reality is that they're Arabs that got pushed off a small sliver of land compared to the Arab world because they decided along with Arab countries to try to wipe Israel off the map themselves and failed miserably. Tough luck.

 

They've been pumping Iraq? What'd they do pump the Iraq oil into the gulf and now said LOOK THERE'S OIL HERE! I think you need to quit listening to Al Jazeera.

 

And how dare you lump the Arab world and Iran together? They hate each other. They think of each other as the "infidels" like they do the rest of the world. What they share is religious extremism except in Iran's case they're trying to gain the ability to "kill the infidels".

[Witchie NL]

oil oil oil everything is about oil and cash. im thankfull i was born in this time coz we are going to get some HUGE changes within the next 30 a 40 years.

Oil reserves going empty.

Exploration of FAR FAR planets. (they r already planning to send an human to mars, dont ask me how).

Some project which uses over 300 satelites to scan millions of stars for signal's.

 

The main noticable change would be that the Oil reserves got empty. this world will be 1 big CHAOS. Wars would be everywhere to get some oil. and between the chaos would be ME driving in my watter powered car.

[ThunderJam]

Ever heard the speculation that war in the middle-east could be armageddon?

 

At some point, more lives will be taken fighting over this !@#$%^&*, then if they were nuked

 

Honestly, all the extremists over there are so !@#$%^&*-backward that i can hardly bother trying to rationalize it because it pisses me off so much. If killing wasn't so friggin engraved into their blood, they could sit down and talk it through. Their hatred of each defies reasoning

[NBVegita]

Any man willing to drive a car loaded with explosives into a civilian area, exploding them and himself, or fly a plane full of civilians, into a civilian building, or (insert many more examples), is just beyond reasoning.

[SeVeR]

Astro:

How naive are you to think Iran doesn't want nuclear weapons?

Well:

1. Iran never said they want nuclear weapons.

2. There is no evidence that Iran are building a nuclear weapon.

 

Those are my reasons/FACTS for thinking Iran don't want a nuclear weapon. What are your reasons for thinking they do want nukes that go beyond the !@#$%^&*umptions created through the character assassination of the Iranian government and it's Muslim population?

 

The Jews are all rich people? Stereotype anyone?

Did i say "all"? Stop twisting words. I guess i'm gonna have to pull out a source and show you: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_...per-capita#rest

The Israeli people are ranked 30th on the highest earners list.

 

Lebanon 58th

Syria 116th

Jordan 104th

Saudi Arabia 44th

India 136th

China 115th

 

They're also ahead of Portugal, South Korea and the Czech Republic. The countries ahead of them are mainly Europe or USA/Canada. They are richer than all their neighbours and richer even than some Europeans. Their country also has a significant bank balance of around 2.3 billion (CIA World Factbook). So please lets put it to rest already. Calling racist everytime i call the Jews a rich people is very inane and a poor attempt at pigeon-holing me into the Anti-Semitic camp.

 

There is no 60 years war. It's a figment of your imagination. A war is not qualified by changing enemies and various periods of peace. That's ridiculous.

Constant unrest and monthly attacks for 60 years qualifies as a war in my book. Even if it doesn't qualify as war for you, you can't deny that since Israel's creation there have been hundreds of thousands of people who have waged war on Israel in the last 60 years and still do today. There haven't been any periods of peace as far as i know.

 

China and Russia supporting a deadline is because they agree Iran should not be allowed to have nuclear weapons, but the oil they can get from Iran if they don't impose sanctions also has an effect on them.

No, its because they know there's no evidence to suggest Iran want nukes!

 

Iraq had no weapons of m!@#$%^&* destruction, while Iran is developing them and glad to talk about it.

What the heck?!?!? Iran is not developing WMD's! Iran is not gladly talking about it either! What the heck are you smoking?

 

Well let's have an imaginary situation where wiping Israel out of the Middle East is not wiping it off the map. It's a nice situation isn't it? Ok now wake up to reality.

Palestine was wiped off the map right?