Dav Posted August 27, 2006 Report Posted August 27, 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5291420.stm interesting stuff. I would like to believe this will help form a lasting peace by learning from the mistakes made. Hezbollah have previously enterd the diplomatic process dispite their millitery goals and this prehaps will strenghen their approach to diplomicy. If this is the case then we may all be happy that some good has come from the terribale war that has occured, the deaths of the innocent were not entirly in vain as a lasting peace can form that will stop innocent deaths happening in this way again (we all hope)
SeVeR Posted August 28, 2006 Report Posted August 28, 2006 As long as Israel exists there probably won't be any peace. From what Nasrallah said it looks like he's only going to change his tactics in future. Maybe this kind of regret will help dispel the belief that Hezbollah is a "terrorist" en!@#$%^&*y... so its probably just another kick in the teeth for Bush.
AstroProdigy Posted August 29, 2006 Report Posted August 29, 2006 Yes because attacking the country with one of the best trained militaries in the world is what helps his people live decent lives first and foremost. It shows how they've benefitted already and continue to benefit. Haha sarcasm.
SVS Posted August 29, 2006 Report Posted August 29, 2006 Yes because attacking the country with one of the best trained militaries in the world is what helps his people live decent lives first and foremost. It shows how they've benefitted already and continue to benefit. Haha sarcasm. Lebanon sure came out on top. Nothing like having your entire infrastructure destroyed to increase your quality of life. I don't know under what "definition" of terrorist organization Sever is using when he declines to define Hezbollah as such but whatever. Rational people know better dispite how often Sever chooses to parrot the same BS.
SeVeR Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 What the !@#$%^&* is your problem SVS? I think Hezbollah is a military organisation at war with Israel and you think they're terrorists. So we disagree, yet for some reason you choose to insult me in this way, calling me irrational. Am i insulting you right now? You and a couple of others really took issue with my criticism of Israel and it seems you can't give it a rest, even now. Grow up please. Are you two now inferring that because Lebanon was the weaker country, Hezbollah are a terrorist group for fighting a battle that could never have been won? What excuse are you going to use next?
AstroProdigy Posted August 31, 2006 Report Posted August 31, 2006 Don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying Hezbollah knew the only thing that could happen is even with possibly a so called "victory" the victims in this would be Lebanese civilians, but I think power was a more important thing on Hezbollah's mind.
SeVeR Posted August 31, 2006 Report Posted August 31, 2006 Ok so you're using it as an excuse to call them power-hungry. Hezbollah never could get a victory so this is a bid by the Hezbollah leadership to get more power. This is just as much an example of skip-a-step logic as inferring they're terrorists for the same reason. Can you for one second open your mind to see the excuses you're using here to justify your opinions?
masscarnage Posted August 31, 2006 Report Posted August 31, 2006 wow astro you truly cant handle the truth can you? Nasrallah never wanted a war, he wanted his lebanese comrades that are help in the israeli prisons free. He would never have wanted to go in an all out war and kill of so many lebanese civilians.
SeVeR Posted August 31, 2006 Report Posted August 31, 2006 Yes, and that's suppported by the role Hezbollah plays in the Lebanese community.
AstroProdigy Posted September 1, 2006 Report Posted September 1, 2006 Hezbollah without the violence isn't a problem to me though.
SeVeR Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 You like to conclude the future based on your opinion of organisations and governments in the present, so how come Hezbollah in your mind only had this war to grab power, without a care in the world for the Lebanese people, when they appear to be largely responsible for helping the Lebanese people at the ground level. I'm saying Hezbollah knew the only thing that could happen is even with possibly a so called "victory" the victims in this would be Lebanese civilians, but I think power was a more important thing on Hezbollah's mind. Words from your mouth.
AstroProdigy Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 They could have used peaceful resistance, but they didn't. There's no excuse.
SeVeR Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 Could they have used peaceful resistance to get a months worth of news on American TV? However you know what their initial aims were, so do you think they could have used peaceful resistance to get their comrades out of Israeli prisons?
TeHsU Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 They could have used peaceful resistance, but they didn't. There's no excuse. Peaceful Resistance? You guys talk but dont know anything, Nasrallah Captured two soldiers so they could trade those two soldiers for muslims prisoners(women and children) in israel, israel declared war on Lebanon and Hezbollah, Hezbollah responded with defense, there is no peaceful resistance when you are fighting the US or the US's pigs, and if Hezbollah is a terrorist, then didnt Bush say they dont negotiate with terrorists? why did they negotiate with Hezbollah, you guys speak as if you know everything, but you know nothing. Hezbollah Regrets it because israel was pushed by USA to go to war with Hezbollah, he wanted a trade, not a war, thanx to the war, the muslim world is more united now then they have ever been.
protoman.exe Posted September 6, 2006 Report Posted September 6, 2006 You speak like you think that you're a god !@#$%^&*ed expert on whats going on over there SeVeR.
TeHsU Posted September 6, 2006 Report Posted September 6, 2006 Ya know he might not know everything, but he knows what hes talking about, i dont know why you would critize someone if you dont know whats going on, I mean the american media lies through there teeth. they have to lie, the point is Hezbollah grabbed two soldiers for a trade off, israel backed by USA was ready and open for war and were waiting for the time to attack, when they did that Hezbollah responded, and Hezbollah won, he regrets the war due to the lives lost, i dont see israel regretting anything.. shows alot of character
SeVeR Posted September 6, 2006 Report Posted September 6, 2006 You speak like you think that you're a god !@#$%^&*ed expert on whats going on over there SeVeR. I'm far from an expert. You speak like the other three or four people on this board who are dismissively critical without countering any of my arguments. Its as if some people here are angry that i'm not pro-Israel, i only want people to recognise this as a war of opinions rather than "good vs evil" or "democracry vs terrorism". The opinion of the American government is not my own, i'm not asking you to disagree with them, i'm only asking you to recognise that they want you to think they are the good team in a "good vs evil" war. -EDIT- I mean how obvious is it when Bush starts comparing his fight to the fight against Hitler... ! Anyone who debates a fair bit knows this as the usual ploy of uneducated cretins attempting to imply absolute evil.
AstroProdigy Posted September 6, 2006 Report Posted September 6, 2006 I'd like to see proof of their comrades in Israeli prisons before the conflict. Women and children prisoners? Any proof? Israel attacked because Hezbollah has been pulling !@#$%^&* like this and nothing Israel did by peaceful means would stop them. The American media is biased, but that's not where I get my information so I'd like for people to stop saying I'm just listening to the biased American media. Hezbollah wasn't looking for open warfare. I'd hardly say they won. They survived which is a lot to see, but I fail to see it as a sudden unifying force to Islam. It's mostly a unifying force to Shiia Islam and Syria's quest for more control over Lebanon.
Himura Kenshin Posted September 6, 2006 Report Posted September 6, 2006 astro Muslims world wide shii or sunni started cheering for hizballah. They stood against isreal and didnt let them into their country. The strongest force in the iddle east was stopped by a small muslim force. The time has said hizballah has won the war not the fighting of it but theyve won the people. They have been giving out 12 thousand dollars to the people who have lost their homes way before any helping aide has come. They have already started rebuilding lebanon and are supported by millions of muslims.
AstroProdigy Posted September 7, 2006 Report Posted September 7, 2006 Hezbollah survived with a new style warfare. If Israel wanted to demolish Hezbollah with major force they could have. Sunni countries like Saudi Arabia oppose Hezbollah while Shiite countries like Iran and half Shiite Yemen and Syria which wants to dominate Lebanon. The Sunni controlled Arab League condemned BOTH Hezbollah and Israel. Looks like religious divisions to me.
Himura Kenshin Posted September 7, 2006 Report Posted September 7, 2006 Only in the begining of the war did they oppose them, during the war they changed feelings about them and turn out to like them since they did stand up to israel. Of course ISrael could have taken out hizballah if they completely destroyed lebanon, then iran and syria would have destroyed israel for the excessive force they used and everyother country in the world would be against israel and the US. The US can destroy N.Korea with 1 nuke but are they? No becuase the casualties would be ridiculous.
AstroProdigy Posted September 7, 2006 Report Posted September 7, 2006 Iran and Syria have no ability to destroy Israel for one as Israel trumped all its neighbors in 6 days and now they're leagues ahead of any country in the Middle East with the exception of maybe Turkey. This is the difference between the West and the Muslim World that I try to get people to understand. If a country held up to our standards like Israel commits a genocide we'd come down hard on them. If a Muslim country commits a genocide then the Muslim world would ignore it. Israel killed a few thousand Lebanese civilians and was condemned for it. Muslim countries do this like its chump change and there's no reaction. If Hezbollah had the ability to m!@#$%^&* murder the Jews of Israel the Muslim world would applaud them as heroes.
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