AstroProdigy Posted August 12, 2006 Report Posted August 12, 2006 Divorce rate myth: Liberals and Gay people will destroy the sanc!@#$%^&*y of marriage...http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htmhttp://www.ncpa.org/pd/social/pd111999g.htmlhttp://www.sullivan-county.com/bush/divorce.htmhttp://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/14/weekinre...6&%2338;ei=5090http://www.divorcereform.org/94staterates.htmlmap here:http://wps.ablongman.com/ab_henslin_essent...2-,00.utf8.html Hmm possibly the bluest state and the one that allows gay marriage has the lowest divorce rate. With the exception of Nevada with its ridiculously easy divorces, the bible belt states have the highest divorce rates. Blue states in general have lower divorce rates than red states especially in the northeast which is accused of not having ethics on divorce. Atheists and agnostics have lower divorce rates than conservative christians. Is it just me or is this an eye opener? So what's all the hype about the blue states destroying the sanc!@#$%^&*y of marriage??? UH OH SPAGHETTIOS!!!
LearJett+ Posted August 12, 2006 Report Posted August 12, 2006 those surveys are years old, and only surveyed several thousand people... not a lot to stereotype the entire South. if you believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, and liberals are for gay marriage, then yes; liberals are destroying the sanc!@#$%^&*y of it. ps. who cares?
Yoink Posted August 12, 2006 Report Posted August 12, 2006 Marriage should be a strictly legal status - a civil union. The sacriment of matrimony, on the other hand, can be as private and exclusive as you want. But as far as legality goes, marriage (civil unions) have no place in a church.
LearJett+ Posted August 12, 2006 Report Posted August 12, 2006 marriage is a religious practice -- the Church, however, should be the one regulating who marries and who doesn't. civil unions belong for the state.
»Ducky Posted August 12, 2006 Report Posted August 12, 2006 Marriage isn't a religious practice.It's a legal practice.
AstroProdigy Posted August 12, 2006 Author Report Posted August 12, 2006 Rofl did you ever think that gays can create a church to call it "marriage" too? Also, why is the word so holy all of a sudden that the church controls it? Your civil union idea ONLY works if same sex couples get ALL the rights of opposite sex couples and then they can still call themselves married because it's called...oh I don't know...FREE SPEECH. OK LET'S DISREGARD SURVEYS FROM NOW ON THEY CAN'T BE ACCURATE IF THEY DISAGREE WITH YOU!!! There were a number of surveys I believe. If by "years old" you mean 3 years then yes they're all "years old" and blippity bloop blop all the survey research is a lie unless it agrees with you and needs to be within this week unless it agrees with you.
»D1st0rt Posted August 12, 2006 Report Posted August 12, 2006 All statistics are bull!@#$%^&* anyways
AstroProdigy Posted August 13, 2006 Author Report Posted August 13, 2006 Rofl. They're extremely important in modern society.
LearJett+ Posted August 13, 2006 Report Posted August 13, 2006 how many surveys have i ever quoted? and i do believe that civil unions should have the same rights -- i never said otherwise. anyone who pays taxes should have the same rights as anyone else.
AstroProdigy Posted August 13, 2006 Author Report Posted August 13, 2006 So what about the word "marriage"? Do they go to jail if they say it?
LearJett+ Posted August 14, 2006 Report Posted August 14, 2006 why would they go to jail for saying it?
AstroProdigy Posted August 15, 2006 Author Report Posted August 15, 2006 Ok so what's the problem? They get all the same rights and can call it marriage. You agree.
LearJett+ Posted August 15, 2006 Report Posted August 15, 2006 you don't understand. i don't think that the state should make gay marriage illegal -- i think churches should... seeing as how it is an ins!@#$%^&*ution by the church. then homosexuals can have civil unions and get the same tax breaks, etc, as married couples. stop trying to twist what i say... i can't even guess where you got that 'going to jail for saying the word marriage' thing
AstroProdigy Posted August 16, 2006 Author Report Posted August 16, 2006 Well then I guess I am trying to comprehend how Republicans can wrap their brains around the "fact" that gay marriage is absolute evil and must be strictly abolished.
ThunderJam Posted August 16, 2006 Report Posted August 16, 2006 Astro were you drunk for the entirety of this topic? You stuck RIDICULOUS words in Lear's mouth, then criticized him for it. Then when lear said, "no thats ridiculous i didnt say that" you leapt to the conclusion that he agreed with you about the rest of this topic. What the heck? Now...Lear was dead on. Astro you have been saying that gays should be able to get married so they can have the same social rights, etc. They can accomplish that legally, thru a mere civil union. They do NOT have to go to a church, and have a wedding. That is like shoving in it the churches face, plain rude and disrespectful. I am totally fine with gay people living together. Sure i think its gross and disgusting, but hey they can do it. I also think we cant legally deny them the ability to adopt kids. Legally, their en!@#$%^&*led to it if a straight couple is. This doesnt mean they have to get married.
AstroProdigy Posted August 16, 2006 Author Report Posted August 16, 2006 Then why can't your party agree to that? Also, I don't see the difference between that and marriage other than the name. I mean if a straight couple gets married outside any church it's still called marriage.
NBVegita Posted August 16, 2006 Report Posted August 16, 2006 Marriage is not decided by a church, it is decided by a state. Yes religious figures have the ability to join two people in matrimony, but honesty I could go out and by 6 months from now be certified to marry people, and never step foot into a church to do it. The only step you need to accomplish marriage, at least for New York, which is the state I'm from, is to go to the government and get a marriage licence. Which only dictates that the two of you are of age and consent to get married. Then you can just find anyone who can marry you, some government locations even have people on site who are certified to do so, and poof you are married. Its only in the mind of the people that marriage and church go together. Plain and simple, marriage is a legal matter. If you get divorced, you don't run to the church now do you? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/marriage This is just a way that the definition between church and state gets blured. Yes according to your religion you may have to be married by a priest, rabbi, ect. But that doesn't mean that its the law. And I don't know how versed any of you are, but a rabbi can be a religious figure, usually is, but to become a rabbi, you need only be jewish, and completey versed in jewish laws and triditions.
ThunderJam Posted August 16, 2006 Report Posted August 16, 2006 Its like... If all of America wanted bar-mitz-fah's (spelling?) even thought they weren't jewish. Your using what is rooted as religious ceremony even tho you dont believe or care about anything in the religion.
AstroProdigy Posted August 16, 2006 Author Report Posted August 16, 2006 It's rooted in every part of the world regardless of religion...that hardly makes it a religious ceremony. Marriage is based on two people who love each other (although not always) joining in a union. This isn't a christian ideal it was here way before christianity in every part of the world. You don't own marriage. Lifelong unions are even in some species of the animal kingdom.
ThunderJam Posted August 17, 2006 Report Posted August 17, 2006 Lol vegita. Astro ok, so lets go on the saying thats its rooted in everypart of the world, even before christianity. Where and when did they have it between two people of the same sex back then? Do you animals of the same sex that partake in lifelong relationships (sexual or romantic)? No matter where marriage is from, gay marriage is ruining a tradition. Christianity would like to preserve that tradition since marriage (we'll say "partially," so we can get over this part of the argument) is partially rooted in our religion.
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