Fruity Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 Just before the zone went dead thier was going to be a 2v2 league, i suggest we restart the 2v2 league and do it at 3pm est to increase pop at this time aswell. What are your thoughts on restarting the 2v2 league Quote
Trip' Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 Yawn....tremendous yawn....we need to host a multiship event. we need more than just the jav pop to participate in a league. wat was that one league. sblm? should host that, i honestly cant remember the last time that league was hosted, probably 2-3 years ago. I think its due.. Quote
The Cubbies Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 Technically 2v2 can be any ship. Of course everyone playing needs to be the same ship, but not necessarily javs. The bot can at least do that much. Quote
Fruity Posted August 9, 2006 Author Report Posted August 9, 2006 2v2 will be good to bring pop up as alot of people would play it Quote
Incomplete Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 Dont run before you walk. Were only just getting some pop back. I'd say don't do a league unless you know how it's going to turn out. Having a crappy league makes all leagues sound crappy and then when a big league comes along, no one will show up for it, then everyone will quit again. Only do the league if you know that its going to be a good league. Make leagues look leet, not like some thrown together piece of !@#$%^&*. Quote
Fruity Posted August 9, 2006 Author Report Posted August 9, 2006 Yeah so make a forum post and get people to post thier views on doing one..... Quote
NBVegita Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 Leagues are very in depth. They're not as easy to run as they seem. At this time it would be rough trying to work out a league as you don't have a steady pop, and thus its a crap shoot if you'd get enough consistently for the league. Not saying its not workable, but there is a lot to consider before the next league is run. Quote
Emblazon Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 The bot can at least do that much.2v2 will be good to bring pop up as alot of people would play itIHaving a crappy league makes all leagues sound crappy and then when a big league comes along, no one will show up for it, then everyone will quit again.cubs: the bot is programmed to setship 2 on all players, and we dont have a bot coder yet. fruity: 2v2 failed because of lack of interest. when 2v2 league was started, the zone was at about the point it is now, and i see no reason to start it up again. jav leagues arent going to help 17th boost population. leagues right now are going to try to include eveyrone. even this duel tournament series does have a rules clause that states that ships 1, 2, 4, 5, and 7 can be used, we just havent put it into effect. perhaps this weekend, jay or I could use that rule. incomplete: i very much agree. in the past, when leagues have failed, it would make the following leagues sound less appealing, and the end result was less participation. however, that is sometimes due to poor coordination. right now, cord and i are jointly coordinating leagues and events (while i coordinate public development and he coordinates staff). i would have liked to hire a good, former league coordinator to take kyla's place, but mike wishes to not hire more sysops at this time. if i can find one willing to work as smod (vegita, etc.), then thatll do. but for now, the only leagues will be smaller leagues as we dont have the population to support the bigger, more known leagues. but its not out of sight, those leagues are still very possible very soon. right now, i am very pleased with how the duel tournament series is going. im going to schedule it for an earlier time for the week 4 matchup so that euro players can participate (im thinking 6pm est, 2 hours earlier than previous schedule). Quote
Fruity Posted August 9, 2006 Author Report Posted August 9, 2006 Well, after speaking with a few of the players that left 17th and now play DSB they would come back to 17th to play 2v2... Quote
The Cubbies Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 I'll say this again. The 2v2 bot could always be switched with !ship #IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JAV! Quote
Delic Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 2v2 League failed because of Cord. Well, after speaking with the players that left 17th and now play DSB they would come back to 17th to play 2v2... All 2 of 'em? Whoopee! Quote
Fruity Posted August 9, 2006 Author Report Posted August 9, 2006 Yeah the only 2 that were acctually on at the time, thiers plenty more that play its just telling them thier would be a 2v2 Quote
Tex Posted August 10, 2006 Report Posted August 10, 2006 I would play a 2v2 multiship, that would be cool. Who wants to be my partner?! Quote
Trip' Posted August 10, 2006 Report Posted August 10, 2006 there arent that many 17thers in dsb. all there are were just me, marioman, kidnorad, oreo, saw zak in there once, adam a couple of times. maynard was in there for an east prac once....and deliq, but i dont think deliq really left 17th anyhow. Quote
NBVegita Posted August 10, 2006 Report Posted August 10, 2006 I just don't see a 2v2 multiship league as a good course of action at least for the time being. The problem is that there is no easy fix to this problem. If you want something multiship, it has to be very simple. Say something like a Multi ship elim? That might get enough interest. The problem when something becomes multiship is noone stays happy. You have your javvers and aggressive players that will just get furious when you have ships like wb's and terrs just plain running all the time. And don't try to tell me that you can't say for the past 3 years 98% of wb's have just been runners. There are obvoius exceptions, and I don't mean to offend anyone who actually knows how to use the ship. Basically what that rant was getting at is that a multiship league with our settings is difficult as any other zone with multi ship settings is based on a more svs set than our base/team sets we run on. Enterprise and I had worked out a fairly decent ship set for MSbl what now 3 years back, and I think that league would have been a good solid league if it had been pushed better on the staff end. The problem is we do not have the population to support msbl at the current time. As far as I can see that is the best option for a multi ship league, and that option is out of the question until we get a larger population. In my firm opinion any league besides either a duel tourney they've been running almost like a league, or say an elim league, we don't have a solid enough pop base to keep any of those leagues alive. And having a minor, say elim, league survive is much better than having a major, say msbl, league fail. And as there just wasn't enough interest back in June for 2v2 I just don't see it working now. Quote
Tex Posted August 11, 2006 Report Posted August 11, 2006 Aren't you banned? Teek.... restart your DSL/CABLE box... change your MID (which I am getting faster and faster each time)... change your name... I will pull a twiglets! Hahahaha, never! Quote
Emblazon Posted August 11, 2006 Report Posted August 11, 2006 I just don't see a 2v2 multiship league as a good course of action at least for the time being. The problem is that there is no easy fix to this problem. If you want something multiship, it has to be very simple. Say something like a Multi ship elim? That might get enough interest. The problem when something becomes multiship is noone stays happy. You have your javvers and aggressive players that will just get furious when you have ships like wb's and terrs just plain running all the time. And don't try to tell me that you can't say for the past 3 years 98% of wb's have just been runners. There are obvoius exceptions, and I don't mean to offend anyone who actually knows how to use the ship. Basically what that rant was getting at is that a multiship league with our settings is difficult as any other zone with multi ship settings is based on a more svs set than our base/team sets we run on. Enterprise and I had worked out a fairly decent ship set for MSbl what now 3 years back, and I think that league would have been a good solid league if it had been pushed better on the staff end. The problem is we do not have the population to support msbl at the current time. As far as I can see that is the best option for a multi ship league, and that option is out of the question until we get a larger population. In my firm opinion any league besides either a duel tourney they've been running almost like a league, or say an elim league, we don't have a solid enough pop base to keep any of those leagues alive. And having a minor, say elim, league survive is much better than having a major, say msbl, league fail. And as there just wasn't enough interest back in June for 2v2 I just don't see it working now.get free time and coord the leagues vegi!! free grapes.. Quote
Jayfortyfive Posted August 12, 2006 Report Posted August 12, 2006 Delic, 2v2 failed because of me?? Lol!! I love this beef you have with me, but unfortunately, it wasn't my fault it failed. I had it advertised in forums, in periodics in pub, and on the news.txt.. news flash.. not really anywhere else to advertise it atm. We just had population problems. We had 20+ show up for the event each week, just not all teams. It could've been better if we allowed for scheduled times, but that would've killed the whole purpose of the league at the time. TO get population at one point like old leagues, and at least have one day per week where we could have good events and public. In essence, that part happened cuz we did get events on those days, but the league just didn't have the interest from the old players who were busy playing dsb leagues etc. Whatever the case, I know you have an obsession with me, but that flop can't be blamed entirely on me. That is all Quote
Delic Posted August 12, 2006 Report Posted August 12, 2006 Yes, it was your fault it failed. You have no clue about how to run a successful league, as already proven. Nice and simple. Farväl. EDIT: Look what I found in my session log by typing "help me" in search. P (Cord)>if you'd like, you can help me create a more definite set of rules, I was waiting to make the bracket later Poor Cord needs help with his leagues, or else they fail. The reason why I turned your poor !@#$%^&* down was because it was either your way or no way.. ..unfortunately for us who like jav leagues in 17th, it's the same thing in your case. Quote
Trip' Posted August 13, 2006 Report Posted August 13, 2006 There is no interest in a 2v2 league. I honestly wouldnt care at all about it. should do an sbl or a RRL league Quote
Emblazon Posted August 13, 2006 Report Posted August 13, 2006 right now, any jav-only leagues aren't going to do well. most of the old jav players either dont play at all anymore, or play other zones and refuse to give 17th a chance. its a shame, really. but because of this, we are planning to focus on multiship events to include all players. javelin leagues are the reason the 17th population was always divided into the javvers and the pubbers, which ultimately helped kill the population. I say helped because I'm not putting all the blame on that, it was many factors. But anyway, back on topic. Right now, population is still unsturdy, and we must break that barrier between pubbers and javvers, or else the zone is never going to work. It hasnt ever worked that way. Quote
ntfx Posted August 14, 2006 Report Posted August 14, 2006 Yeah nbv for league coord thingy guy! Quote
SeVeR Posted August 23, 2006 Report Posted August 23, 2006 http://www.angelfire.com/nm/halifax/rosters.shtml Remember this? ^ JWL2 had about 200 sign ups and got 100 people in the zone at a time... those were the days! Quote
Vile Requiem Posted August 23, 2006 Report Posted August 23, 2006 http://www.angelfire.com/nm/halifax/rosters.shtml Remember this? ^ JWL2 had about 200 sign ups and got 100 people in the zone at a time... those were the days! Wow, I forgot that site still existed. Now all I need to do is remember the email I used to create it Quote
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