Dr Brain Posted January 24, 2004 Report Posted January 24, 2004 You guys still arguing about this? Jeez. The US will last longer than anyone discussing this here. As for Iraq... He was developing them, that has been proved. We haven't found any complete weapons yet, but even prez Clinton made a speech saying Saddam had them during his administration. Bush didn't lie, if anyone did, it was Clinton, and I don't think he lied about this paticular issue. Imminent threat? Bush said in the state of the union before Iraq that we had to attack "before Iraq becomes and imminent threat". Thats pretty clear to me that he didn't think it was a threat yet.
madhaha Posted January 24, 2004 Report Posted January 24, 2004 So its ok to attack people who are not an imminent threat and the hope that you're killing the ones you're after and call it a defensive war? Me confused.
Bacchus Posted January 26, 2004 Report Posted January 26, 2004 Bush and co. wouldn't know how to "own" a gonorrhea (spl) in a !@#$%^&*house. I thought it was clear for everyone now? no? ahh, too bad...i guess not.
Dav Posted January 26, 2004 Report Posted January 26, 2004 PRESIDENT BUSH OWNS!As we have discussed, president bush is a f***ing idiot. the sad thing is that its not a question of if he wins the next election, but by how much he wins. Must makes you think about how extencive his properganda program is.
Guest Rider-of-the-CrimsonDawn Posted February 8, 2004 Report Posted February 8, 2004 ok it seems to me that this world is standing in a shakey chair with its big fat head through the noose. and nukes are not "keeping us safe" if the usa EVER launches even a smale nuke, you can kiss this world goodbye. (every other country fearing that the nukes are aimed at there silos will unload the payload. poof world gone) all we gotta do is ask someone to kick the chair for us.
Guest Rider-of-the-CrimsonDawn Posted February 8, 2004 Report Posted February 8, 2004 and eveyone knows that bush is a dumb!@#$%^&*, he cheated and won, hes a smearmark of a prez, that noone will rember or care about. unless he dose something really stupied like blow up the world. and he might do that cause hes so dumb. ok.
Cid Firefist Posted February 8, 2004 Report Posted February 8, 2004 Nader should be president....Bush is a dumb!@#$%^&* and Gore wears too much makeup.
Guest CaliberClick Posted March 23, 2004 Report Posted March 23, 2004 If the world did end, that is all the more better for us. By "we" I mean, of course, the Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria. By incinerating everyone on the planet, you will effectively achieve what we of the Illuminati have strived for and our enemies (Legion of Dynamic Discord, Erisian Liberation Front), have always tried to prevent us from doing. That goal is to have everyone of our number, from the District Supervisors to the Holy Five themselves, achieve Transcendental Illumination. Stalin, Hitler, and many others already achieved some of this goal for us, but we seek more people to to achieve the State, and sadly, that means that many more of you will die. Forgive me for the grammatical errors, I do not type so well in this body. Hagbard, John, Dolphins, and all others that opposed us at Ingolstat. You have won an important victory yes, but don't feel so secure, the book still belongs to us, and Leviathan isn't as powerful as you had thought. -This phone booth is reserved for Clark Kent.
Yupa Posted March 23, 2004 Report Posted March 23, 2004 ...please tell me you didn't register just to bump this ancient topic
Mr Ekted Posted March 23, 2004 Report Posted March 23, 2004 The real Illuminati would never use the word "holy". They are secular in the extreme.
Aileron Posted March 23, 2004 Report Posted March 23, 2004 Somebody please lock this topic. It was almost flaming in the first place and now that its off-topic and been inactive for almost a month.
Dav Posted March 23, 2004 Report Posted March 23, 2004 well it was a good discussion untill these worthless posts arrived. I think the flaming content of this is helthy, we are discussing how the selfishness and arrogance of the US govenment will ultimatly lead to its doom. From now post on topic or not at all.
Aileron Posted March 23, 2004 Report Posted March 23, 2004 Look, you Europeans are about twice as selfish and ten times more arrogant as we are. You have held this at!@#$%^&*ude about three times longer than the US even existed, and you are still here. If Europe can get away with being arrogant and selfish for 600 years and still be around, I think the US, being arrogant and selfish to a lesser degree, has atleast 400 years to look foward to.
Bacchus Posted March 23, 2004 Report Posted March 23, 2004 stfu both, my dad is stronger than yours anyway!
Sgt. Bountage Posted March 24, 2004 Report Posted March 24, 2004 Europe isnt dumb... they're just mentally challenged... Also France can woop USA's @$$, well, that was apparently so about a hundred years ago... But anyways...
Aileron Posted March 24, 2004 Report Posted March 24, 2004 I didn't say they were dumb, just hypocrites. Look, I'd hate to go patriotic, (apparently it is wrong for an American to be nationalistic, but okay for everyone else to.) but the best thing we have to brag about is that everyone wants to come here. Particularly Europeans in the early 20th century, who came here generally for a better life. Think about it. These immigrants were seeking nothing but fortune. It order to get money and wealth, they moved from first world Europe to among other places, the US, which was second world at the time. Europeans were and are so selfish, that they do not even share with their fellow countrymen. Their countrymen had to move to poorer nations just so that they could get out from under the upper class' heel. Now, Europe is pissed, because the combined strength of the English rejects that were here before and the general European rejects they sent here in the early 20th century is now starting to overrun their economies and culture. I don't mean to say that the US is a social saint. We have our share of ghettos and orphans. I also don't mean to say that Europe hasn't learned and isn't trying to correct their problems. Most European countries are highly socialist. However, most of that socialism is devoted to tearing down the rich. Europe has tried tearing down the rich over and over since the French Revolution. 90% of both Socialism and Communism is to prevent the rich from getting more wealthy. Try bringing up the poor. Europe somehow has equated tearing down the rich to bringing up the poor. Guess what, they are two different things. That is why the US is capitalistic. We don't care how much some billionaire makes. Let them make their 7 or 8 digit salaries. We care about bringing up our poor. Yes, the US is selfish in that we do not share with other nations. However, Europe does not even share with themselves. Therefore, they are not in the position to judge us.
Live-Wire Posted March 25, 2004 Report Posted March 25, 2004 Using historical "evidence" to predict the future of the United States as a hegemon isn't likely to provide substantial predictions. Yes, every hegemon has fallen, but no, no modern Republic hegemon has. The world is simply a different place now. Hegemons tend to appear after major world conflicts (US emerging after WW2, before that, Britain following 100-years war, etc.) In the current state of technology, such a brutal war would be a nuclear one, and most likely no hegemon would emerge, since there wouldn't be anything left. In other words, I think it is "US or bust" - the kind of war it requires to overtake the US as the primary power would be nuclear, and would end the world. GG.
Dav Posted March 25, 2004 Report Posted March 25, 2004 Look, you Europeans are about twice as selfish and ten times more arrogant as we are. You have held this at!@#$%^&*ude about three times longer than the US even existed, and you are still here. If Europe can get away with being arrogant and selfish for 600 years and still be around, I think the US, being arrogant and selfish to a lesser degree, has atleast 400 years to look foward to.personally i belive the US to be selfish and arrogant. The reason we dispute is because we hold diffrent political values and those are bound to conflict. I believe that the US should think of others a little more. I understand thay they have internal affairs, all countries do but i feel it is the responcibility of nations with adequate resorces to do some things for the good of the world and not the land under their feet. Kyoto is a move taken in europe for the good of the plannet, the US has the resorses to do this, -*BAD WORD*- its the richest nation in the world yet they decide not to because it may have a small effect on the economy.
Bacchus Posted March 25, 2004 Report Posted March 25, 2004 plz, stop it this is becoming a bit ridiculous... US citizen: hey, i'm stronger than youEU citizen: hey, i'm more profoundUS citizen: oh, i thought i was more profoud. btw, you're arrogant!EU citizen: look who's talking?! You are arrogant AND selfish!US citizen: yea so what? you are also, why couldn't I? look at you...a...pffoa...socialist!EU citizen: so, ew...a capitalistUS: you make the richer poorer! EU: you suckUS: no you firstEU: you tooUS:bah, anyway i'm stronger than you. ok kids, behave now plz. tks.
Aileron Posted March 25, 2004 Report Posted March 25, 2004 Hey, if you don't like this "discussion", no one is making you post here. I agree that it is stupid to say the least. However, if Europeans keep opening and re-opening topics such as this one, we are never going to come to a compromise. I am tired of this at!@#$%^&*ude. Bin Laden claimed the US was the "Great Satan". Of him an Europe, at very least Bin Laden admits his opinion.
Chikkaboom Posted March 25, 2004 Report Posted March 25, 2004 If only we got on like are leaders do... George Bush and Tony Blair... Endless Love Video - CLICK!! And iiiiiiiiii, i want to share! ALL MY LUUURRRVVVEEE with u!, No one else will do!
Dav Posted March 25, 2004 Report Posted March 25, 2004 plz, stop it this is becoming a bit ridiculous... US citizen: hey, i'm stronger than youEU citizen: hey, i'm more profoundUS citizen: oh, i thought i was more profoud. btw, you're arrogant!EU citizen: look who's talking?! You are arrogant AND selfish!US citizen: yea so what? you are also, why couldn't I? look at you...a...pffoa...socialist!EU citizen: so, ew...a capitalistUS: you make the richer poorer! EU: you suckUS: no you firstEU: you tooUS:bah, anyway i'm stronger than you. ok kids, behave now plz. tks.this is political discussion, we are discussing the problems with EU and US polocy. We are not tring to say "i am better" at all we are juat placing our arguments and expressing our opinions. chikka, put stuff like thatin the lounge where it belongs. If people dont have an argument to place dont post at all. Back to the topic. I will agree that some EU poiocies are selfish, dont get me wrong i thing thet the labour govenment has many faults as well. I believe that the decition to go to iraq was a bad one, university top up fees are a bad move the list goes on. I am just highlighting faluts in us polocy and didnt once dissagree that EU govenmets are selfish and arrogent because to some extent they are.
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