Isreal Sends Troops Into Lebanon

[PoLiX]

This whole ordeal is bull!@#$%^&* and the US shouldn't have anything to do with it, short of removing their citizens from the battlefield.

 

You haven't paid attention in history, have you? The US always has to get involved in everything. Rather then watch our own backs, and occasionally those of powerful needed allies as everyone else does, we get invovled with anything and everything.

[Yoink]

This whole ordeal is bull!@#$%^&* and the US shouldn't have anything to do with it, short of removing their citizens from the battlefield.

 

You haven't paid attention in history, have you? The US always has to get involved in everything. Rather then watch our own backs, and occasionally those of powerful needed allies as everyone else does, we get invovled with anything and everything.

Don't put words into my mouth. I didn't make any claims about our past actions.

[Greased_Lightning]

You really think that even if they could make significant progress against Hezbollah that it would change anything? Okay, let's say for a moment that Israel somehow miraculously actually accomplishes something with this (like killing off Hezbollah leaders). After it's all said and done, is Israel going to pay to repair the infrastructure they've destroyed? I doubt it. They'll pull out and say it's not their problem. As history has shown, this leaves fertile ground for resentment and hatred which can just build up again into something worse than before. I would think that Israel would be especially keen to this as it is exactly the thing that precipitated World War II.. and we all know how well THAT went for the Jews.

[Wonderer]

So now your making excuses on why people shouldn't even bother to try. nice

[Greased_Lightning]

No, I'm saying there's better ways that don't involve alienating the common folk. For starters, stop blowing them up. Secondly, it's not like a country has ever exploded for apologizing. Thirdly, work WITH the Lebanese gov't to combat Hezbollah. People who's quality of life is higher are less apt to strap explosives to themselves or leave bombs in restaurants.

 

I don't think those two soldiers would appreciate hundreds of civilians dying for (because of?) them. It's supposed to be the other way around.

[Wonderer]

What you not getting is that the situation is a result of the Lebanese govenment neglecting its responsibiity of maintaining its own security. Why you think a kidnapping whould gt them off their !@#$%^&* is behind me. They just sat there and said they couldn't do anything about it. Yet they didn't have any problems recovering the reporters that were taken hostage. If you read about that you'd know they were released by the police.

[candygirl]

335 citizens have been killed in Lebanon during the Israeli bombing campaign. Thirty-four Israelis have been killed, including 18 soldiers.

 

seems to me "all there killing is lebanon citizens. Israeli bombed a UN post near Zarit. they must have there eyes closed.

[Greased_Lightning]

Well now it sounds like Israel is going in with ground troops in a major action. Just heard also that the Lebanese army (the actual army) is likely to join with Hezbollah in such a case. This is the kind of polarization that should've been avoided at all costs. It's going from Israel vs. Hezbollah to Israel vs. Lebannon. You think that's going to help diminish Hezbollah's support in the region?

 

Looks like we're going to see the Lebanese government responsible for its security after all huh?

[Aileron]

Well, Israel is out of diplomatic options, so what do you expect? They've tried giving up their own territory, something no other nation has done ever, and what did they get? The territories in Lebanon and Gaza that they gave up to pacify their enemies are now the bases that their enemies are striking at them from.

 

You must understand that Israel's interests are opposite your own. You people view Isreal's existence as "Yankee Imperialism" and thus your long term hope is Israel's destruction. Israel however wants to survive. Hezbollah will accept nothing short of total territorial and populace concessions. They cannot be negotiated with by any rational means of diplomacy. Since an unjust war occurs when there are no practical alternatives to war, could anyone here name an alternative Israel has that could stop Hezbollah that hasn't already been disproven?

 

Israel has destroyed 50% of Hezbollah's infrastructure and reduced attacks by 70% with just artillery and airstrikes. Its true that its unlikely Israel would be able to completely destroy all the terrorists, but they could do a lot.

 

Really though, Israel's true demands are that the Lebanese government do something as "difficult" as occupy their own country. I watched the Lebanese Amb!@#$%^&*ader to the UN state that it "isn't that simple". Maybe so, but I think the first step in the "complicated" solution would be for Lebanon to atleast try to stop Hezbollah. My hopes is that Lebanon will be rallied just enough to fortify their southern border to brace for the Israeli invasion, which would sandwhich Hezbollah between two hostile armies.

 

But, its clear though that both Hamas and Hezbollah were and are nothing but puppets of Iran. There is no other reason for Hezbollah to strike now other than to take pressure off Iran. According to most of the experts I've read, the problem here is Iran and Syria.

 

I dissagree about Sryia. While it is the land that connects Iran to Lebanon and Palistine, learning from the history of the Vietnam War and the Ho Chi Min trail points out that while large armies can be defeated by attacking the supply lines, small terrorist cells require such few supplies that the supply lines can shift all over the place and still get enough supplies through. Mosy likely even if Syria were supporting us 100% smugglers would still get past them.

 

What needs to be done is to cut off the supply line at the only point that is fixed - Tehran. We should really take out Iran now because its clear that war is inevitable and we should deal with this now before it gets worse.

[SeVeR]

Who are the real terrorists? The Muslims who are too scared to get into an organised fighting force because they know they'll be wiped out too easily? Or the Israelis who have the backing and technology of the USA and who can wear nice uniforms and call themselves an army? The hate is the same on both sides.

 

Israel's actions aren't even "eye-for-an-eye" they're so much more deplorable. Somehow they weigh up 2 kidnappings with 335 deaths (and rising).

 

The question for all you Israeli (+ America and "axis" of self-righteous criminals) supporters is what has this action achieved other than "Don't mess with us".

 

1. Its destablised the region and tempts Syria+Iran into an all out war.

2. A whole new generation of terrorists are born as they watch their family members die.

 

Sure there were plenty of terrorists to start with but opinions like that don't change with killing civilians. Israel may have killed a few "terrorists" but for each one that dies there are now 10 more to take their place.

 

Israel has put out the message "Don't mess with us" but we already know this is the case. Is it just the new PM trying to prove "mine is bigger than yours"?. Israel is under the wing of a war-monger. What gets forgotten in this conflict is how much hate the Jews have for the Muslims.

 

Well, Israel is out of diplomatic options, so what do you expect?

They never even explored a diplomatic option. They have still not given back the Palestinian land. Israel only uses diplomacy to incriminate the opposition but they've never actually given up anything in their existence. They haven't had too... the USA is their "daddy".

 

They've tried giving up their own territory, something no other nation has done ever, and what did they get?

What do you mean by "their own territory"? Occupying a piece of land illegally for 60 years or less makes it your own? And what have they given up?

 

Israel however wants to survive

I'm sure they do. The problem is that the USA wants Israel to survive aswell. You cannot expect an illegal land-grab to just "blow-over" after 60 years. If there is a right thing to be done then its certainly not what Israel is doing.

 

But, its clear though that both Hamas and Hezbollah were and are nothing but puppets of Iran.

And your evidence for this? I'm looking for something other than Fox News. Hamas has next to nothing to do with Iran and Hezbollah likely gets funding from Iran but there is no reason to suggest Iran controls Hezbollah. I don't think anyone could control the will of a man who has had a member of their family killed by Israelis.

 

The motive of Bush will always be to incriminate Iran and the media in the last 6 months has of course been all over it even though Iran has done nothing illegal or said anything that i personally would not have said. When the G8 leaders met they practically ignored Bush's attempt to paint Iran as big-bad criminal simply because they're educated enough to not be puppets.... i guess that'll be the case until the US makes a lucrative deal for them to back action against Iran (Israel's creation 60 years ago).

 

We should really take out Iran now

On what grounds? Because Bush told you Iran is evil?

 

Seriously i hope Iran and Syria back up Lebanon if Israel gets into full-on war against the Lebanese army. Then it'll be up to the USA to show its true colours once again, except this time i don't think they'll have the support or the man-power to pull it off. Maybe then justice will be done... albeit at what could be one of the worst costs since the second world war.

[tick]

Who are the real terrorists? The Muslims who are too scared to get into an organised fighting force because they know they'll be wiped out too easily? Or the Israelis who have the backing and technology of the USA and who can wear nice uniforms and call themselves an army? The hate is the same on both sides.

 

Israel's actions aren't even "eye-for-an-eye" they're so much more deplorable. Somehow they weigh up 2 kidnappings with 335 deaths (and rising).

 

The question for all you Israeli (+ America and "axis" of self-righteous criminals) supporters is what has this action achieved other than "Don't mess with us".

 

1. Its destablised the region and tempts Syria+Iran into an all out war.

2. A whole new generation of terrorists are born as they watch their family members die.

 

Sure there were plenty of terrorists to start with but opinions like that don't change with killing civilians. Israel may have killed a few "terrorists" but for each one that dies there are now 10 more to take their place.

 

Israel has put out the message "Don't mess with us" but we already know this is the case. Is it just the new PM trying to prove "mine is bigger than yours"?. Israel is under the wing of a war-monger. What gets forgotten in this conflict is how much hate the Jews have for the Muslims.

 

Well, Israel is out of diplomatic options, so what do you expect?

They never even explored a diplomatic option. They have still not given back the Palestinian land. Israel only uses diplomacy to incriminate the opposition but they've never actually given up anything in their existence. They haven't had too... the USA is their "daddy".

 

They've tried giving up their own territory, something no other nation has done ever, and what did they get?

What do you mean by "their own territory"? Occupying a piece of land illegally for 60 years or less makes it your own? And what have they given up?

 

Israel however wants to survive

I'm sure they do. The problem is that the USA wants Israel to survive aswell. You cannot expect an illegal land-grab to just "blow-over" after 60 years. If there is a right thing to be done then its certainly not what Israel is doing.

 

But, its clear though that both Hamas and Hezbollah were and are nothing but puppets of Iran.

And your evidence for this? I'm looking for something other than Fox News. Hamas has next to nothing to do with Iran and Hezbollah likely gets funding from Iran but there is no reason to suggest Iran controls Hezbollah. I don't think anyone could control the will of a man who has had a member of their family killed by Israelis.

 

The motive of Bush will always be to incriminate Iran and the media in the last 6 months has of course been all over it even though Iran has done nothing illegal or said anything that i personally would not have said. When the G8 leaders met they practically ignored Bush's attempt to paint Iran as big-bad criminal simply because they're educated enough to not be puppets.... i guess that'll be the case until the US makes a lucrative deal for them to back action against Iran (Israel's creation 60 years ago).

 

We should really take out Iran now

On what grounds? Because Bush told you Iran is evil?

 

Seriously i hope Iran and Syria back up Lebanon if Israel gets into full-on war against the Lebanese army. Then it'll be up to the USA to show its true colours once again, except this time i don't think they'll have the support or the man-power to pull it off. Maybe then justice will be done... albeit at what could be one of the worst costs since the second world war.

 

omg...best reply ever

 

 

I think i'm in love with this guy...he completly owned Aileron

[Greased_Lightning]

Can't say I agree with all Sever has to say... namely alot of the anti-US talk, the hoping for Iran and Syria to get involved militarily, and I don't want to think about what kind of justice he's talking about. also it isn't feasible for Israel to hand itself over to other control because: 1. It is a democratic sovereign nation and shouldn't by any rights sacrifice that. 2. No matter how they got there, they are there and any kind of relocation of the populace would be impossible. and 3. because the backlash against the Jews there would be horrible.

 

However I will agree with what he said about this only making more enemies for them and that sometimes the US backs Israel a little too ... strongly. It's too bad that when you do criticize US-Israel policy, you are automatically accused of wanting to see the Israelis all murdered (thanks Ail, please don't call me "you people"). We should be able to criticize their actions. Everyone else on earth always criticizes ours after all.

 

Not agreeing with Israel's actions and policies is not wanting them dead, so please let's not make !@#$%^&*umptions.

[»Ducky]

I haven't been checking the forums much recently, but this gem made my night.

 

We should really take out Iran now because its clear that war is inevitable and we should deal with this now before it gets worse.

 

You're always there for a good laugh when I need it.

[Dr.Worthless]

Who are the real terrorists? The Muslims who are too scared to get into an organised fighting force because they know they'll be wiped out too easily? Or the Israelis who have the backing and technology of the USA and who can wear nice uniforms and call themselves an army? The hate is the same on both sides.

 

If you think rhetorical questions amount to a hill of beans in any situation, raise your hand!

 

....

 

Give labels to whatever you want, !@#$%^&* was status quo with lebanon until Hezbollah thought it would be cool to !@#$%^&* with an already enraged Israel who was dealing with the first case of soldier capture with palestinian militants.

 

Israel's actions aren't even "eye-for-an-eye" they're so much more deplorable. Somehow they weigh up 2 kidnappings with 335 deaths (and rising).

This isn't about moral relativism, or your personal measurement of 2 captures versus 335 deaths, this is about a terrorist organization !@#$%^&*ing with Israel. Like I stated before, everything was copasetic with Lebanon until Hezbollah pulled their !@#$%^&*, and for some reason in your WHOLE post you never once mention what started the action. War is not about correlation of actions, Israel isn't saying "they captured 2 soldiers so we'll only do 2 soldiers worth of damage", nor should they. Thats not how war works and you know it.

 

The question for all you Israeli (+ America and "axis" of self-righteous criminals) supporters is what has this action achieved other than "Don't mess with us".

 

Give me a !@#$%^&*ing break.

 

1. Its destablised the region and tempts Syria+Iran into an all out war.

2. A whole new generation of terrorists are born as they watch their family members die.

NEWSFLASH, THE REGION WAS IN RELATIVE CALM UNTIL HEZBOLLAH PULLED THEIR !@#$%^&*, ISRAEL DIDN'T START THE !@#$%^&*STORM.

 

Sure there were plenty of terrorists to start with but opinions like that don't change with killing civilians. Israel may have killed a few "terrorists" but for each one that dies there are now 10 more to take their place.

 

..... I'll explain this one very slowly to you. If Hezbollah had the capability to do what it did, and is doing, with pre-action forces (the forces they had before this 10/1 bull!@#$%^&* you're claiming). It doesn't matter how many people they pull in, BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO HURT ISRAEL.

 

Israel has put out the message "Don't mess with us" but we already know this is the case. Is it just the new PM trying to prove "mine is bigger than yours"?. Israel is under the wing of a war-monger. What gets forgotten in this conflict is how much hate the Jews have for the Muslims.

Take weapons away from the militant muslim groups and you'll have relative peace, take weapons away from the Jews and you'll have 20 million dead jews. Which side has more hate?

 

They never even explored a diplomatic option. They have still not given back the Palestinian land. Israel only uses diplomacy to incriminate the opposition but they've never actually given up anything in their existence. They haven't had too... the USA is their "daddy".

 

I wont even address the ignorance in this part of your post. Every inch of land hasn't been given back, but the vast majority of it was. Sharon gave back the gaza strip because he was promised peace in return, and now the Gaza strip is used to launch attacks against Israel. Southern lebanon was given back in return for peace (which was achieved for awhile), now its being used for attacks against Israel. IF every inch of land was given back to the palestinians, it would all be used to launch attacks against what Jews were left. Logic FTW!

 

What do you mean by "their own territory"? Occupying a piece of land illegally for 60 years or less makes it your own? And what have they given up?

Get over it, Israel won the land in military battle. This !@#$%^&* has been going on since the dawn of time. The land you are living on right now, no matter where you are on earth, was occupied illegally somewhere down the road.

 

And your evidence for this? I'm looking for something other than Fox News. Hamas has next to nothing to do with Iran and Hezbollah likely gets funding from Iran but there is no reason to suggest Iran controls Hezbollah. I don't think anyone could control the will of a man who has had a member of their family killed by Israelis.

 

So wait, if your logic holds up then we should see Israeli boys conducting terrorist acts against palestinians because Israeli parents have been killed before. We should see people here in the US chanting DEATH TO JAPAN AND GERMANY because some of their parents were killed in world war 2. OH WAIT THAT DOESN'T HOLD UP BECAUSE YOUR LOGIC IS BAT!@#$%^&* !@#$%^&*ING CRAZY.

 

The motive of Bush will always be to incriminate Iran and the media in the last 6 months has of course been all over it even though Iran has done nothing illegal or said anything that i personally would not have said. When the G8 leaders met they practically ignored Bush's attempt to paint Iran as big-bad criminal simply because they're educated enough to not be puppets.... i guess that'll be the case until the US makes a lucrative deal for them to back action against Iran (Israel's creation 60 years ago).

Here's $1,000,000.00 go buy yourself an education, its going to take atleast that much to reverse your blatant hatred and ignorance.

We should really take out Iran now

On what grounds? Because Bush told you Iran is evil?

 

Oh I don't know, maybe because IRAN is throwing the world community the bird? The only closed minded person in this conversation is your ignorant, bush/israel/US hating !@#$%^&*. Grow a brain and some balls and realize people don't form opinions because "bush told them too"

 

Seriously i hope Iran and Syria back up Lebanon if Israel gets into full-on war against the Lebanese army. Then it'll be up to the USA to show its true colours once again, except this time i don't think they'll have the support or the man-power to pull it off. Maybe then justice will be done... albeit at what could be one of the worst costs since the second world war.

 

Seriously, I hope another major conflict opens up, one that allows the US to take its gloves off and show what a military of 1 million members, the most sofisticated technology, sea and air dominance can do. One where we don't give a !@#$%^&* about civilian casualties, like killing 600,000 civilians in Japan during World War 2. All of you that think 300 civilian casulaties in open war is a huge number need to learn historical perspective, and if the 1940's US military killed 600,000 civilians in open combat, the modern military machine could drop 2,000,000 in a carpet bombing campaign and not blink an eye, and thats without nuclear weapons.

 

If people in the world view us as a huge evil, Im all for showing them what really !@#$%^&*ing evil is.

[AstroProdigy]

I agree with most of what Worthless said . Also just because we have troops in Iraq doesn't mean we can't use our Navy and Air Force and even a small contingent of our troops (the best in the world) to blow the !@#$%^&* out of Iran and Syria. Syria is a backwards country that we can overtake in a few days and Iran can't last more than a month as there are different groups in Iran that want independence from this fake democracy they put up.

 

People are quick to forget about the last Holocaust and look for another Holocaust against the Jews. The Jews are the only ones who should really have the land because neither the Muslim world nor the Christian world can have it without outraging the other group. The Jews have always been the ones the land belongs to.

 

Sorry to Palestine, but if we really want to talk about groups forced out of their land let's consider the Christians in Lebanon forced into minority status by Muslim groups and Syria and the Armenian genocide by the Muslim Ottomans or the very recent and still ongoing genocidal acts on the people of Darfur by government backed Muslim militants where if we took action would have outraged the Muslim world. No one says that we should make them turn the situation back to the way it was before when the situation is reversed.

 

Let's look at the 1974 forced Greek exodus out of northern Cyprus (their own rightful land) to supposedly protect the much smaller Muslim majority in Cyprus. You don't see us blowing ourselves up in Turkey to get our land back even though it's rightfully ours and Turkey has committed acts against the Geneva Convention trying to transfer their own population into our country. Now there is international pressure on Turkey because we are in the European Union and they are blocked from the European Union because we were peaceful and fixed what was left of our own country and looked to get back what's ours peacefully. Terrorist attacks and acts of war solve nothing in the long run.

 

If the Muslims and Jews were reversed, the Muslims would gladly even commit genocide against millions and suddenly it won't be so bad even though 300 deaths somehow is considered a genocide by some people. If your country's government can't even take their own land back from a terrorist group then your government is an absolute failure. The United States makes mistakes and has made mistakes, but that never meant that terrorist and totalitarian groups suddenly have the right to do what they do.

[Greased_Lightning]

Seriously, I hope another major conflict opens up, one that allows the US to take its gloves off and show what a military of 1 million members, the most sofisticated technology, sea and air dominance can do. One where we don't give a !@#$%^&* about civilian casualties, like killing 600,000 civilians in Japan during World War 2. All of you that think 300 civilian casulaties in open war is a huge number need to learn historical perspective, and if the 1940's US military killed 600,000 civilians in open combat, the modern military machine could drop 2,000,000 in a carpet bombing campaign and not blink an eye, and thats without nuclear weapons.

 

I really hope we DON'T get into a conflict where we don't care about civilian casualties as that would be very very very (about 20 more verys) bad. You talk about historical perspective, yes, compared to other conflicts this is a tiny number. However, this is only after a few days. Also, with more sophisticated weaponry, civilian casualties become more and more unacceptable. I like to think that we've come further as a society that we won't stand for hundreds of thousands of needless deaths.

 

For us to go into Iran and not suffer major casualties of our own, we would have to completely disregard civilian lives and not give a !@#$%^&* about post-conflict reconstruction. If that's the case, why even send in troops? Just drop a few nukes. You'll have that 2 million dead with none of our guys hitting the ground. Of course, that could spread into an exchange with Russia and/or China that makes WWII look like an anthill got kicked.

 

On a side note, how about we keep the flaming to a minimum? Thanks.

[Wonderer]

Russia and China wouldn't challenge us. Russia lacks the military power and China couldn't feed its people if not for the food exports from the US. And since neither has any chance of taking over US soil the would be !@#$%^&*ed. The US however culd easily wipe out Syria and Iran and take control over oil exports to keep things running.

 

In a world war the US would win.

[AstroProdigy]

In a world war no one would win hence nuclear destruction.

[AstroProdigy]

Does the Muslim world think they need their own Holocaust of the Jews before they can stop persecuting them? Is that some sort of right?

[ThunderJam]

Hehe, i feel Astro's last post is right on the money

 

The Solution: BOMB THE MIDDLE EAST, THE WORLD IS HAPPY! WOOHOOO!!!!

[SeVeR]

Worthless:

So wait, if your logic holds up then we should see Israeli boys conducting terrorist acts against palestinians because Israeli parents have been killed before.

Israel is conducting "terrorist" attacks!!!! Are you watching the !@#$%^&*ing news?!?!? They join the Israeli "army" to legitimize their actions and then go out and kill Muslim civilians. TERRORISM you dumb !@#$%^&*. They can wear nice uniforms and call themselves an army but its still terrorism.

 

Give labels to whatever you want, !@#$%^&* was status quo with lebanon until Hezbollah thought it would be cool to !@#$%^&* with an already enraged Israel who was dealing with the first case of soldier capture with palestinian militants.

Israel last pulled out of Lebanon in 2000. If you think that 6 years makes the Lebanese population stop hating Israel for what they did then you know less about this conflict than you admit. Your lack of logic must make you believe that all the Muslims in the middle east have no reason to fight whatsoever. Whether its 6 years or 60 years, people don't forget. So "!@#$%^&*" was no status quo, all that happened in Lebanon is Israel pulled out and the opposition regrouped.

 

If you think rhetorical questions amount to a hill of beans in any situation, raise your hand!

What have you got against rhetorical questions? The questions cause you to think about your preconceptions and look back over how you came to form your point of view. If you can't do that then you become a tool for whoever manages to influence you. *Fox News lets out a cheer* "One more convert!"

 

Take weapons away from the militant muslim groups and you'll have relative peace, take weapons away from the Jews and you'll have 20 million dead jews. Which side has more hate?

I thought you didn't like rhetorical questions? There are already thousands of dead muslims, as for your "bull!@#$%^&*" figure of 20 million dead Jews i think you're dreaming. You seem to forget that the Jews already have what they want: another people's land. The Muslims want their land back and that requires attacking the Jews. You seem to want to equate hate to aggression and you're completely wrong to do so when the Jews only need to defend to keep what they have stolen. They still hate the muslims, they just don't need to do anything.

 

This isn't about moral relativism, or your personal measurement of 2 captures versus 335 deaths, this is about a terrorist organization !@#$%^&*ing with Israel.

Ok so a terrorist organisation "!@#$%^&*ed" with Israel. Does that mean you go out and kill hundreds of civilians? Israel isn't even targetting the people responsible, did you know they're bombing random cars that happen to be on the move? If you can justify all that by saying that "its not about moral relativism" then you can go "!@#$%^&*" yourself.

 

Israel isn't saying "they captured 2 soldiers so we'll only do 2 soldiers worth of damage", nor should they. Thats not how war works and you know it.

Yeah they can go out and bomb a bunch of terrorist installations if they want killing hundreds of terrorists and i wouldn't bat an eyelid. But it seems you're ignoring something really crucial to this argument.

 

NEWSFLASH, THE REGION WAS IN RELATIVE CALM UNTIL HEZBOLLAH PULLED THEIR !@#$%^&*, ISRAEL DIDN'T START THE !@#$%^&*STORM.

Capturing 2 soldiers is not an act of war against Israel from Lebanon. The proper response is to gather intelliegence on Hezbollah and attempt a rescue and/or negotiate and/or destroy select terrorist strongholds. Bombing the crap out of civilians is what turned this into a !@#$%^&*-storm and the sooner you realise it the better. Would you say that next time some civilians go missing in Colombia we should bomb the crap out of the whole country? Israel made a mountain out of a mole-hill (or a !@#$%^&*-storm out of a violent fart...)

 

..... I'll explain this one very slowly to you. If Hezbollah had the capability to do what it did, and is doing, with pre-action forces (the forces they had before this 10/1 bull!@#$%^&* you're claiming). It doesn't matter how many people they pull in, BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO HURT ISRAEL.

Yea they did, and now they still do. So tell me what the war will achieve?

 

Sharon gave back the gaza strip because he was promised peace in return, and now the Gaza strip is used to launch attacks against Israel. Southern lebanon was given back in return for peace (which was achieved for awhile), now its being used for attacks against Israel.

Israeli tanks roll back into that land in Gaza all the time to level any buildings. Its not their land when it gets occupied each time a man who has had his family killed shoots at some Israeli soldiers. Its ridiculous to think that... and what do you think happens when the tanks roll back in and kill more civilians? You get another heart-broken muslim wanting brutal revenge.

 

Get over it, Israel won the land in military battle. This !@#$%^&* has been going on since the dawn of time. The land you are living on right now, no matter where you are on earth, was occupied illegally somewhere down the road.

No, the US won the land because they favoured the Jews. If you don't think so then look back on some of Truman's speechs. I'm sure even at that time there were laws in place to not favour one ethnic group over another. You're right that all land has once been occupied illegally and all those lands are at peace now, Israel is not at peace and until it is the international community should decide which side to take and who the land belongs to.

 

Here's $1,000,000.00 go buy yourself an education, its going to take atleast that much to reverse your blatant hatred and ignorance.

Where is my hatred? As for ignorance you should really watch less of the Fox News channel and start having your own opinions.

 

Oh I don't know, maybe because IRAN is throwing the world community the bird

So? I would too. If a world super-power bullied me into doing something when i have every right to do what i want i would "throw them the bird". What angers Iran the most is how the West has painted them as a criminal because of their unwillingness to concede. They have no reason or obligation to concede and as a result are being incriminated through the western media. Its an absolute farce and i can't believe people like you believe this crap when its fed to you. ....Actually i can believe it in your case.

 

Seriously, I hope another major conflict opens up, one that allows the US to take its gloves off and show what a military of 1 million members, the most sofisticated technology, sea and air dominance can do.

Oh you really are a patriotic crack-pot aren't you?

 

Astro:

People are quick to forget about the last Holocaust and look for another Holocaust against the Jews. The Jews are the only ones who should really have the land because neither the Muslim world nor the Christian world can have it without outraging the other group.

The Jews have the land and are "outraging" the Muslims. Do you somehow think that because the Jews went through the Holocaust we should pity them, then give them someone elses land and say "there, there, i hope this can somehow make up for it"?

[AstroProdigy]

The Jews went for that land themselves and all I'm saying is let's not forget the lessons of the past and be quick to call for another Holocaust.

 

Terrorism and acts of war against a stronger country is STUPID. Rather than trying to be stupid and look for killing to somehow help your cause try to better yourselves first and build international connections. Just because bad things have happened to you is NOT an excuse for revenge.

[SeVeR]

I don't want another Holocaust, i want the people who were living in peace on that land to go back to living there in peace after the Jews give back what they've stolen.

[AstroProdigy]

Let's give back all countries in the Americas back to the Native Americans and let's give back Australia and New Zealand and let's give back the North African countries back since they were taken over by Arab Muslims. Let's also give back just about every area on the planet to someone or another.

[Dr.Worthless]

Israel is conducting "terrorist" attacks!!!! Are you watching the !@#$%^&*ing news?!?!? They join the Israeli "army" to legitimize their actions and then go out and kill Muslim civilians. TERRORISM you dumb !@#$%^&*. They can wear nice uniforms and call themselves an army but its still terrorism.

 

Yawn.

 

Israel last pulled out of Lebanon in 2000. If you think that 6 years makes the Lebanese population stop hating Israel for what they did then you know less about this conflict than you admit. Your lack of logic must make you believe that all the Muslims in the middle east have no reason to fight whatsoever. Whether ,its 6 years or 60 years, people don't forget. So "!@#$%^&*" was no status quo, all that happened in Lebanon is Israel pulled out and the opposition regrouped.

I realize nitwits like yourself who come armed with rhetorical bull!@#$%^&* and "omg stop watching fox news" can't really comprehend logic and reason, but I'll give it another attempt.

 

There hadn't been any major fighting for 6 !@#$%^&*ing years (since the pull out) until hezbollah pulled their capturing prisoner !@#$%^&*. Blaming Israel for the current war because of actions in the past and ignoring the hezbollah action in the present isn't only ignorant, its self serving, and if you've really convinced yourself different you need serious help.

 

What have you got against rhetorical questions? The questions cause you to think about your preconceptions and look back over how you came to form your point of view. If you can't do that then you become a tool for whoever manages to influence you. *Fox News lets out a cheer* "One more convert!"

 

Give me a !@#$%^&*ing break you self righteous hippy closed minded !@#$%^&*. I've got 60k worth of degrees to shove anything you got right down your throat. Not everyone that disagrees with your jack!@#$%^&* opinions watches Fox News. Moveon.org lets out a cheer *one more convert!!!" :Flips the bird:

 

Take weapons away from the militant muslim groups and you'll have relative peace, take weapons away from the Jews and you'll have 20 million dead jews. Which side has more hate?

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I thought you didn't like rhetorical questions?

That isn't a rhetorical question, its got a clear cut answer, dumb!@#$%^&* ASSS like you just wont accept it.

 

Ok so a terrorist organisation "!@#$%^&*ed" with Israel. Does that mean you go out and kill hundreds of civilians? Israel isn't even targetting the people responsible, did you know they're bombing random cars that happen to be on the move? If you can justify all that by saying that "its not about moral relativism" then you can go "!@#$%^&*" yourself.

Got links to back that up or are you just going off of what you read off of moveon.org or your potsmoking hippy anti-establishment, hurray Hugo Chavez friends have been telling you?

 

Capturing 2 soldiers is not an act of war against Israel from Lebanon. The proper response is to gather intelliegence on Hezbollah and attempt a rescue and/or negotiate and/or destroy select terrorist strongholds. Bombing the crap out of civilians is what turned this into a !@#$%^&*-storm and the sooner you realise it the better. Would you say that next time some civilians go missing in Colombia we should bomb the crap out of the whole country? Israel made a mountain out of a mole-hill (or a !@#$%^&*-storm out of a violent fart...)

 

Tell ya what, when you're in the position to call the shots and decide a proper response you knock your !@#$%^&*ing socks off, but from where I'm sitting the easiest way to have stopped all this is TO PREVENT HEZBOLLAH FROM CAPTURING SOLDIERS TO BEGIN WITH.

 

If you throw a rock at me I'm going to kick your !@#$%^&* so hard that you won't even look at rocks without thinking about getting your !@#$%^&* whipped. You might think thats an overaction, but from my perspective you shouldn't have thrown the rock.

 

Yea they did, and now they still do. So tell me what the war will achieve?

Hopefully to disarm Hezbollah so that their capacity to hurt israel is reduced. (Yeah but in 20 years when the new crop of recruited terrorists are old they'll attack again) Better to have 20 years of peace and repeat the process than sit with your hand up your !@#$%^&*hole for those 20 years only watching the situation getting worse. The text in parenthesis is your response, and yes I am a !@#$%^&*ing internet psychic.

 

Israeli tanks roll back into that land in Gaza all the time to level any buildings. Its not their land when it gets occupied each time a man who has had his family killed shoots at some Israeli soldiers. Its ridiculous to think that... and what do you think happens when the tanks roll back in and kill more civilians? You get another heart-broken muslim wanting brutal revenge.

 

So if you're against that reaction the only other reaction is to do nothing about the muslim shooting at Israeli's. Tell ya what, Gimmie your home address and I'll come shoot at your house everyday for a month. You make sure to not do anything because you wouldn't want to call the cops on me, piss my family off, and possibly then have my whole family come shoot guns at your house.

 

No, the US won the land because they favoured the Jews. If you don't think so then look back on some of Truman's speechs. I'm sure even at that time there were laws in place to not favour one ethnic group over another. You're right that all land has once been occupied illegally and all those lands are at peace now, Israel is not at peace and until it is the international community should decide which side to take and who the land belongs to.

Bat!@#$%^&* crazy, meet SeVer, SeVer, bat!@#$%^&* crazy.

 

Where is my hatred? As for ignorance you should really watch less of the Fox News channel and start having your own opinions.

 

Seriously dude, is that all you got? You need to get off of the OMG SOMEONE WHO DISAGREES WITH MY DUMB!@#$%^&* OPINION MUST WATCH FOX NEWS kick.

 

So? I would too. If a world super-power bullied me into doing something when i have every right to do what i want i would "throw them the bird". What angers Iran the most is how the West has painted them as a criminal because of their unwillingness to concede. They have no reason or obligation to concede and as a result are being incriminated through the western media. Its an absolute farce and i can't believe people like you believe this crap when its fed to you. ....Actually i can believe it in your case.

Iran has no right to go against the UN. I know you think they do because you're a dumb!@#$%^&*, so stop. Don't even respond to this section. Please, don't go into the "fed crap" bull!@#$%^&*. I KNOW for a fact that i've got more education than you do, i've even got 15 !@#$%^&*ing hours of islamic civilization under my belt. You do realize that no rational person who makes up their own mind would have an opinion so close to the "OMG THE WEST IS EVIL THE US LOVES ISRAEL NO MATTER WHAT ISRAEL IS THE NEW SATAN US SHOULD DIE" moveon.org collective !@#$%^&*smoking brainfart, right?

 

Oh you really are a patriotic crack-pot aren't you?

 

OH NOES A PARTIOTIC FOX NEWS WATCHER!!! Stop throwning around your catch-phrase, liberal bull!@#$%^&*. Its not a crime to be patriotic or watch fox news. The only crime is to be an ignorant self righteous !@#$%^&* like yourself.

 

Don't respond, you've got nothing but "omg israel illegally occupying land!!!" and "you watch fox news"

 

Both of which only cons!@#$%^&*ute legitimate thoughts if your 5. My moveon.org statements in the above post prove that I'm 5.

 

The Jews went for that land themselves and all I'm saying is let's not forget the lessons of the past and be quick to call for another Holocaust.

 

Terrorism and acts of war against a stronger country is STUPID. Rather than trying to be stupid and look for killing to somehow help your cause try to better yourselves first and build international connections. Just because bad things have happened to you is NOT an excuse for revenge.

 

The jews will give back their land once you give back the land you're living on, cause its stolen. Furthermore, its pretty !@#$%^&*ing pathetic that you're giving out blanket legitimization to whatever the muslim extremists want to do because of an action that occured 60 years ago.

 

If I steal !@#$%^&* from you, you can't come steal !@#$%^&* from me, both actions are illegal.

 

P.S.S time to leave the forum for another 3 months, theres only so much dumb!@#$%^&* I can handle and SeVer's last two posts have filled the quota.