Isreal Sends Troops Into Lebanon

[NBVegita]

I concur with drake, sorta.

 

This is war they are in. Its not like beating someone up on a playground. War inevitabally causes civilian casualties. As pointed out about the end of WWII, if we had not dropped the two bombs, who knows how much longer that war would have lasted? Not saying that it was right or wrong, but at the time, it was the best solution. By doing that the U.S. caused an enourmous amount of civilian casualties, but by ending the war it saved thousands of lives. Or at least bringing about the end phase of the war. Isreal killed civilians. But the balance of the lives they saved by destroying those missiles works out. I mean look at it this way, some country has missiles, and your hometown, where all of your family and friends live, is the target. Are you going to be careful of what you bomb to protect "enemy civilians" whom may or may not be simply civilians, or are you going to do your best to save your own people? Consider the fact that hezbollah would not think twice about sacrificing the citizens of Israel to further their cause.

 

Any countries main concern is always they're own citizens. They're lives should be placed against the lives of other countries civilians, specially if that country is at war with you.

[AstroProdigy]

True, but this doesn't apply with Iran and the United States; Iran has not attacked the United States and we probably wouldn't be saving anyone. For the record, Iran's president is extreme and talks like a madman but he doesn't really have any power other than free speech.

 

Also, support from Iran isn't any kind of respectable cause it's just support from a country trying to extend it's influence. There are no excuses for what Hezbolla did. They deserve to be bombed. The question is whether the innocent civilian casualties are worth it not whether Hezbollah deserves to be destroyed.

[Dr.Worthless]

 

The above is the real reason "civilians" are incurring such a heavy death toll in lebanon.

[candygirl]

The funny thing is i cant see any Civilians on that video. And if you look cloose it looks like too diff trucks (Too diff video shots )

[AstroProdigy]

Israel is probably making mistakes, but that's because Hezbollah is hiding among the civilian population and making things extremely complicated. Hezbollah can't defeat Israel really. The most they can do is force Israel to pull out because of popular sentiment like the US did in Vietnam. Israel's military capabalities are leagues ahead of Hezbollah. The reason this is difficult is Israel is a DEMOCRACY OF RATIONAL CITIZENS. That's why they don't incurr serious civilian casualties. Hezbollah is a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION. If they had the chance they'd kill every last Jew in Israel and hunt down any other Jews on the planet. That's a huge difference. The civilian population of Lebanon would simply let them and be blind to it and just regret it after the fact just like the Germans let the Nazis do what they did with popular support. We can't possibly support a society that would allow this. That's why the US is a strong supporter of Israel. Europe does not support Hezbollah, they just want someone like the US to come in and make things easy. Much of the Muslim world is run by ignorant power hungry madmen and that's why many of them support Hezbollah. Even big parts of the Muslim world does not support Hezbollah's actions. That shows just how wrong Hezbollah is.

[SeVeR]

If they had the chance they'd kill every last Jew in Israel and hunt down any other Jews on the planet. That's a huge difference.

Where's your proof?

 

Much of the Muslim world is run by ignorant power hungry madmen

Proof?

 

1. I support "wiping Israel of the map" (interpret this correctly for godsake...) because it was created illegally on another people's land.

2. I'm sure that if Hezbollah had been sold sophisticated weaponry by the US they would use it to pinpoint Israeli military bases and government headquarters.

3. I'm sure that if Hezbollah built its own military bases and concentrated their army in these bases they'd be completely wiped out by now... instead they get accused of using human shields.

4. I'm sure that comments like this:

The reason this is difficult is Israel is a DEMOCRACY OF RATIONAL CITIZENS

...ignore the mutual hatred in this conflict.

 

Or maybe i'm just a terrorist, extremist, islamic, immoral madman .... or whatever the !@#$%^&* Bush wants you to think.

[AstroProdigy]

You vastly overestimate public hatred for Lebanon in Israel...You also forget there is a very large minority of Arab Muslims in Israel (not including the West Bank and Gaza Strip).

 

Support for Hezbolla: Iran's leader is an obvious example of a madman and Iran is predominantly Shiite. Syria wants influence over Lebanon as they have been exerting influence for a long time. Yemen is almost half Shiite.

 

No Support for Hezbolla: Jordan is a monarchy although they have trouble supporting a Shiite organization. Saudi Arabia is run by absolute monarchs although they do not support Hezbollah because this is quite a bit a conflict of the power of Shiites versus Sunnis, which is not very fair to impose on the people of Israel and Lebanon. Same with most of the rest of the predominantly Sunni Muslim world.

 

Hezbollah publicly calls for the elimination of the state of Israel. Yes if that means killing all Israelis they'd gladly do it. This is an extremist organization so stop treating it like it isn't one. Hezbollah isn't a rational organization they wouldn't try to simply target Israeli military. Hezbollah didn't need to start the conflict in the first place. The two main foreign powers Israel and Syria have pulled out of Lebanon so now was their chance to show that this was a good decision...

 

Your "it was created illegally" argument still supports basically all countries being wiped off the map. Please respond to this argument.

 

Let's get this straight...I don't listen to Bush so stop throwing the "if you disagree your an ignorant Republican that just listens to whatever Bush says". As you can see with most of my past responses on this forum I'm not a Republican.

[NBVegita]

And just because you are a republican does not mean you automatically support bush or what he says. Everyone is too hung up on parties nowadays

[SeVeR]

First off i never said you were a republican or accused you of being one. I accused Bush of saying that everyone with opinions like mine should be branded with the terrorist tag that he uses to describe everyone against the US and Israel. If my skin was darker then you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between me and 90% of the people Bush brands as terrorists, but i'm still not a killer. I was asking more than anything IF you are in agreement with Bush.

 

You vastly overestimate public hatred for Lebanon in Israel...You also forget there is a very large minority of Arab Muslims in Israel (not including the West Bank and Gaza Strip).

Maybe true, but Israel already has what they want and has the power to keep it because of all the weapons sold to them from the USA. I would say there is little reason for Israelites to hate the Muslims unless they've had friends or family killed. On the other side however you have millions of people and their descendents displaced.

 

I think we all know that if Truman had had as many Muslims in his country as Jews in prominent positions then Israel would never have been created. What was the motive for Israel's creation? Can anyone answer that?

 

Support for Hezbolla: Iran's leader is an obvious example of a madman and Iran is predominantly Shiite. Syria wants influence over Lebanon as they have been exerting influence for a long time. Yemen is almost half Shiite.

What? Why is Iran's leader a madman???? The reason i accuse you and others of suc!@#$%^&*bing to Bush-propoganda is for statements like this. Why is he a madman? I know exactly how the press have suddenly started painting Iran and it's leader in the last 6 months and i find it astonishing since the only difference between him and us is ideology and opinion, it's so very far from good and evil!

 

Hezbollah publicly calls for the elimination of the state of Israel. Yes if that means killing all Israelis they'd gladly do it.

Proof? -(for the second part). I will now also call for the elimination of Israel! I won't be branded with the terrorist KILLER tag though because i'm a white, british citizen of no faith, who is not living in the Middle East. Of course if i fit the sterotypical terrorist then i would immediately be one for saying that... i would immediately be a m!@#$%^&*-murderer without even lifting a finger.

 

Hezbollah isn't a rational organization they wouldn't try to simply target Israeli military.

Proof?

 

Your "it was created illegally" argument still supports basically all countries being wiped off the map. Please respond to this argument.

Very well. Firstly, no-one is disputing land around the rest of the world. Europe, Australia, USA, are all examples of land that is not disputed and those that do dispute it have been given land to live on (American Indians, Aborigines etc). Israel is land that people are still at war over. While there is a war you have to decide whether to support one side or the other based on the cause of the war! The cause of the war is undoubtebly the creation of Israel by the USA in an illegal act. You're right that the word illegal doesn't have much meaning over history but while there is still a war going on we have to make a decision to support the side that has been wronged.

 

Secondly there has been international law in place in this last century to prevent such takeovers and displacements of people from their homes. If your argument that the creation of Israel is justified by invasions for the last two thousand years then you are accusing every living person of being just as barbaric as we have always been. There's no other way that fits your reasoning. You can't just say: "We are barbaric and have always done this, so that makes it ok". Based on that reasoning we could still invade anyone we want with no qualms... or did our so-called morals only spring into existence less than 50 years ago? I would like to think that in the last century we have developed beyond that - our international laws make that case.

[AstroProdigy]

Lebanon is not Palestine...they weren't displaced by the creation of Israel. The motive for Israel's creation was constant repression and a HOLOCAUST. They needed their own state to prevent something like that from happening again.

 

Someone who calls the Holocaust a myth created by the Jews to justify the creation of Israel and uses that as the reasoning for the destruction of Israel, while at the same time comparing Israel to Hitler...really rational huh?

 

There was no proof that the Nazi's were going to cause the holocaust, but in foresight we agree that we should have known from the raging anti semitism that if they had a chance they would kill all the Jews.

 

Your race has nothing to do with this. You are only an individual with absolutely no ability of causing a holocaust so you wouldn't be taken seriously there.

 

Of course people dispute land all over the world. Native Americans given small reservations makes it alright? So why is the West Bank and Gaza Strip not enough?

 

Just because some extremists call it a war to keep the situation going doesn't mean it's a war. Are you saying that violent methods are the only respectable way? Might is right? By the way...this is LEBANON at war NOT PALESTINE. Stop putting the two into one category.

 

Do you honestly believe extremist Islamic groups would follow things like the Geneva Convention? Incase you haven't noticed in the last century there have been LOTS of invasions.

[SeVeR]

By the way...this is LEBANON at war NOT PALESTINE.

No, this is Hezbollah at war with Israel. Hezbollah is a militant organisation intent on the removal of Israel and they are fighting for all people affected by Israel's invasions of Palestine AND Lebanon. They are not just fighting Israel for the !@#$%^&* of it, is that what you think?

 

The motive for Israel's creation was constant repression and a HOLOCAUST.

Say that back to yourself and tell me if any of that justifies taking people's land and homes away from them? Two wrongs make a right? That can only be the case if you regard Jews with higher status than Muslims, is that the case with you?

 

If a kid gets his lunch stolen from him all the time at school, would you recommend the teacher grab someone elses lunch to give to that poor kid?

 

If the Americans were so concerned and sympathetic to the Jews then why not create Israel in America or Europe? Why are our homes so much more precious than the homes of Muslims?

 

Someone who calls the Holocaust a myth created by the Jews to justify the creation of Israel and uses that as the reasoning for the destruction of Israel, while at the same time comparing Israel to Hitler...really rational huh?

I listened to his interview and it appears he was taken out of context. He doesn't deny that Jews were killed but he does object to it being used as an excuse to create Israel on Muslim land/homes.

 

Your race has nothing to do with this.

My race, location and religion has everything to do with whether i'm painted as a terrorist while i hold this opinion.

 

You are only an individual with absolutely no ability of causing a holocaust so you wouldn't be taken seriously there.

So you're saying that based on an individuals power there need only be a possibility of something being done wrong (like massacring Jews) that warrants the conclusion that they're a m!@#$%^&*-murdering terrorist madman. What makes you think your opinion is so right in the first place?

 

Its like saying a kid who bullies people in school should be locked up before they can grow up to become a drug-dealing street mugger.

 

Of course people dispute land all over the world. Native Americans given small reservations makes it alright? So why is the West Bank and Gaza Strip not enough?

The Native Americans are not at war with America and are happy to live on their land. If they were not happy then we'd need to do something about it, but its been quiet for the last century or so so i don't think there needs to be anything done. Muslims are constantly warring with Israel and its not just extremists.

 

Just because some extremists call it a war to keep the situation going doesn't mean it's a war.

Again its as if i'm arguing with the propoganda being piped through the news here when i'm talking to you. Whole crowds of people in Iraq are burning the American flag and shouting support for Hezbollah: you know what most news channels reported? - "Support for Lebanon" "Peace Protests".... it was an absolute joke when a couple of honest respectable news organisations got the truth of the matter to filter through. Iraq is just an example, but in Lebanon and Palestine there is a majority who want the destruction of Israel, its not just extremists! Did you ignore the election that resulted in Hamas coming to power?!?!?

[LearJett+]

i wonder what religion astro is.

[AstroProdigy]

Saying they're fighting for Palestine doesn't mean they're fighting for Palestine. They're fighting for POWER the way other terrorist organizations do. Hezbollah isn't Jesus, they aren't a just organization of saints.

 

At first the Jews wanted to live WITH the Palestinians, but the Muslim world and Palestinians couldn't allow that so they tried to get rid of them. The Jews had to defend themselves and they won so Palestine lost land.

 

The Jews wanted to return to the land they originated from.

 

You listened to when he said it? Or after the fact.

 

Don't put words in my mouth. All I'm saying is we cannot treat an organization like an individual. It doesn't work that way.

 

The Native Americans are happy to live on their land? You really are ignorant. It's been quiet because EVERY TIME THEY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT WE KILLED MORE OF THEM AND TOOK MORE LAND.

 

Iraq is not Hezbollah. Again this shows that this isn't really an issue of Israel threatening Lebanon, but Arab countries trying again to massacre the Jews since they failed the last few times. Hamas has reason to hate Israel; HEZBOLLAH DOES NOT!

 

Lear if you're suggesting that I have this opinion because I am Jewish...newsflash im Greek Orthodox/agnostic.

[SeVeR]

Hamas has reason to hate Israel; HEZBOLLAH DOES NOT!

And with that comment you cement my opinion that you are completely ignorant about this conflict.

[AstroProdigy]

Sure I am. Israel pulled out of Lebanon. They did exactly what Lebanon wanted and Lebanon responded by letting terrorist organizations within its borders exacerbate the problem, showing Israel that diplomacy and concessions give terrorists the chance to attack Israel. Not exactly the path to peace there...

 

With other issues conceding exactly what the other side wants fixes the issue! If they use it to make things worse then it's THEIR FAULT!

[Dr.Worthless]

The funny thing is i cant see any Civilians on that video. And if you look cloose it looks like too diff trucks (Too diff video shots )

 

Simply comparing sizes, vehicle A seems to be some type of s!@#$%^&* or motorcycle, Vehicle B likely a flatbed truck with the launcher on the flatbed.

 

If you dont' see the houses/buildings they pass clear as can be on the bottom of the screen, and the building they hide in with a small parking lot to its left, then you are either blind, seeing what you want to see, or being purposefully ignorant.

 

Pretty funny huh?

[Dr.Worthless]

First off i never said you were a republican or accused you of being one. I accused Bush of saying that everyone with opinions like mine should be branded with the terrorist tag that he uses to describe everyone against the US and Israel. If my skin was darker then you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between me and 90% of the people Bush brands as terrorists, but i'm still not a killer. I was asking more than anything IF you are in agreement with Bush.

 

Please link me the quote bolded, if you can't find it effectivly removed any credibility you've established on this forum and declaired yourself bat!@#$%^&* crazy with a hint of partisan hackery.

 

Proof? -(for the second part). I will now also call for the elimination of Israel! I won't be branded with the terrorist KILLER tag though because i'm a white, british citizen of no faith, who is not living in the Middle East. Of course if i fit the sterotypical terrorist then i would immediately be one for saying that... i would immediately be a m!@#$%^&*-murderer without even lifting a finger.

Please stop trying to use logic based comparisons, you're failing miserably.

 

 

 

Very well. Firstly, no-one is disputing land around the rest of the world. Europe, Australia, USA, are all examples of land that is not disputed and those that do dispute it have been given land to live on

You just blew away your own arguement, the Palestinians have been given land to live on. YOU LOSE KTHXDRVTHRUNO!@#$%^&*INGREFUNDS.

(American Indians, Aborigines etc). Israel is land that people are still at war over. While there is a war you have to decide whether to support one side or the other based on the cause of the war! The cause of the war is undoubtebly the creation of Israel by the USA in an illegal act.

It was british owned land, who passed it over to the UN to divey it up, YOU LOSE AGAIN SIR. Aren't you the one who talks about spewing what others tell you all the time?

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independe...mandate_end.php

[SVS]

Of course people dispute land all over the world. Native Americans given small reservations makes it alright? So why is the West Bank and Gaza Strip not enough?

The Native Americans are not at war with America and are happy to live on their land. If they were not happy then we'd need to do something about it, but its been quiet for the last century or so so i don't think there needs to be anything done. Muslims are constantly warring with Israel and its not just extremists.

 

 

 

HAHA

[SVS]

First off i never said you were a republican or accused you of being one. I accused Bush of saying that everyone with opinions like mine should be branded with the terrorist tag that he uses to describe everyone against the US and Israel. If my skin was darker then you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between me and 90% of the people Bush brands as terrorists, but i'm still not a killer. I was asking more than anything IF you are in agreement with Bush.

 

Please link me the quote bolded, if you can't find it effectivly removed any credibility you've established on this forum and declaired yourself bat!@#$%^&* crazy with a hint of partisan hackery.

 

Proof? -(for the second part). I will now also call for the elimination of Israel! I won't be branded with the terrorist KILLER tag though because i'm a white, british citizen of no faith, who is not living in the Middle East. Of course if i fit the sterotypical terrorist then i would immediately be one for saying that... i would immediately be a m!@#$%^&*-murderer without even lifting a finger.

Please stop trying to use logic based comparisons, you're failing miserably.

 

 

 

Very well. Firstly, no-one is disputing land around the rest of the world. Europe, Australia, USA, are all examples of land that is not disputed and those that do dispute it have been given land to live on

You just blew away your own arguement, the Palestinians have been given land to live on. YOU LOSE KTHXDRVTHRUNO!@#$%^&*INGREFUNDS.

(American Indians, Aborigines etc). Israel is land that people are still at war over. While there is a war you have to decide whether to support one side or the other based on the cause of the war! The cause of the war is undoubtebly the creation of Israel by the USA in an illegal act.

It was british owned land, who passed it over to the UN to divey it up, YOU LOSE AGAIN SIR. Aren't you the one who talks about spewing what others tell you all the time?

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independe...mandate_end.php

 

We just need to ignore Sever. He lacks any rational reasoning skills and a basic factual knowledge of current events.

[candygirl]

The funny thing is i cant see any Civilians on that video. And if you look cloose it looks like too diff trucks (Too diff video shots )

 

Simply comparing sizes, vehicle A seems to be some type of s!@#$%^&* or motorcycle, Vehicle B likely a flatbed truck with the launcher on the flatbed.

 

If you dont' see the houses/buildings they pass clear as can be on the bottom of the screen, and the building they hide in with a small parking lot to its left, then you are either blind, seeing what you want to see, or being purposefully ignorant.

 

Pretty funny huh?

 

I see empty roads other then that one vehicle. I see no civilians by them houses or buildings other then the one by that one vehicle. Go see a eye Dr You may need gl!@#$%^&* if you see civilians.

By the way houses/buildings are not classified as civilians.

[Dr.Worthless]

The funny thing is i cant see any Civilians on that video. And if you look cloose it looks like too diff trucks (Too diff video shots )

 

Simply comparing sizes, vehicle A seems to be some type of s!@#$%^&* or motorcycle, Vehicle B likely a flatbed truck with the launcher on the flatbed.

 

If you dont' see the houses/buildings they pass clear as can be on the bottom of the screen, and the building they hide in with a small parking lot to its left, then you are either blind, seeing what you want to see, or being purposefully ignorant.

 

Pretty funny huh?

 

I see empty roads other then that one vehicle. I see no civilians by them houses or buildings other then the one by that one vehicle. Go see a eye Dr You may need gl!@#$%^&* if you see civilians.

By the way houses/buildings are not classified as civilians.

 

Ok, so you're being purposefully ignorant, cool.

 

Its perfectly logical to assume that the buildings are completely empty, and that when hezbollah fires missles they go hide in empty buildings, that are surrounded by other completely empty buildings.

 

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_...Video+Clips.htm

 

 

All the buildings in that video are unoccupied too? Do you have to have people jumping up and down with signs that say "IM A CIVILIAN" for you to believe that there are civilians in the area or is it completely obtuse to assume that people live in houses?

[SeVeR]

First off i never said you were a republican or accused you of being one. I accused Bush of saying that everyone with opinions like mine should be branded with the terrorist tag that he uses to describe everyone against the US and Israel. If my skin was darker then you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between me and 90% of the people Bush brands as terrorists, but i'm still not a killer. I was asking more than anything IF you are in agreement with Bush.

 

 

 

Please link me the quote bolded, if you can't find it effectivly removed any credibility you've established on this forum and declaired yourself bat!@#$%^&* crazy with a hint of partisan hackery.

What the !@#$%^&* are you talking about credibility for? Everyone on this forum could think i'm bat-!@#$%^&* crazy and i couldn't give a flying !@#$%^&* about it. You, Astroprodigy and SVS have all proven yourselves less than able to provide rational explanations based on logical thinking and observations. I have shown you all how easily your arguments fall apart... leading to your last resort: dismissive insults without proper explanations. You are all truely pathetic because your arguments are based on propoganda and have absolutely no basis in reality once one traces that type of thinking back to the single underlying irrational !@#$%^&*umption. I cannot be any clearer on this and i don't expect you to understand.

 

Oh and your question is extremely difficult to answer (and i think you know that) because i would have to dig up a very many Bush speeches. Here is one example of the indiscriminate "throwing around" of the word "terrorist" to describe anyone fighting against America:

 

"The terrorists in Iraq share the same ideology as the terrorists who struck the United States on September the 11th. Those terrorists share the same ideology with those who blew up commuters in London and Madrid, murdered tourists in Bali, workers in Riyadh and guests at a wedding in Amman, Jordan. Just last week they massacred Iraqi children and their parents at a toy giveaway outside an Iraqi hospital."

 

"At this time last year there were only a handful of Iraqi battalions ready for combat. Now there are over 120 Iraqi army and police combat battalions in the fight against the terrorists, typically comprised of between 350 and 800 Iraqi forces."

 

It appears that anyone who is anti-American is a terrorist and with that term comes the implication that all these people are dispicable child-murdering, plane-bombing fascist nut-cases. When the truth is, they're fighting an invading power which is responsible for the creation of Israel on Islamic land.

 

I'm sorry my list of examples isn't more extensive, i'm not going to go furrowing around the internet for Bush transcripts which seems to be the only way to answer your question. You only need to listen to Bush to see how many times he uses the word terrorist to describe everyone he is at war with.

 

Please stop trying to use logic based comparisons, you're failing miserably.

You're so full of !@#$%^&* that i'm gonna ask you to explain that. Why is my "logic based comparison" failing? You're just like that Wonderor guy who keeps making accusations as if it's a legitimate argument - You don't even know what a logical argument is!

 

It was british owned land, who passed it over to the UN to divey it up, YOU LOSE AGAIN SIR. Aren't you the one who talks about spewing what others tell you all the time?

The British got the land through conquest and asked the UN to allocate it to someone. The US then took this oppurtunity to make it a Jewish state and told countries across Europe to relax laws to allow extensive immigration to Israel. Truman actually said that "I have many Jewish citizens but not so many Muslim citizens and my responsibility is therefore to them"... i wrote the exact quote in another post. Truman was almost single handedly responsible for the creation of Israel. Why would the UN suddenly decide to just give Palestine to the Jews?

 

SVS:

We just need to ignore Sever. He lacks any rational reasoning skills and a basic factual knowledge of current events.

Then why do you keep replying? Last time i made a post i called you hypocritical on at least three occasions and now you're at it again! You really do define the word SVS. If you want to ignore me then do so. Comments like "lacks rational reasoning skills and factual knowledge of current events" mean absolutely !@#$%^&* all unless you back it up with something other than your own opposite opinion. I'm willing to bet i've given more examples of facts on this conflict throughout this topic than anyone and every opinion i present comes from years of interest into the affairs of Israel and the history of its creation. You on the other hand make these one-sentenced posts that continue to prove how ridiculously inane you are.

[AstroProdigy]

Last time i checked "Islam" wasn't a country and, therefore, "Islamic land" is a very faulty term. Islam was created based on war and forced conversions, therefore it should be given back to non Arabs. Also, Christianity was created largely from war and forced conversions so let's give back land there too. The world doesn't always go smoothly. Sometimes you have to deal with what you have and Israel is there and it's not going away in the foreseeable future, so rather than wasting lives and resources with war, maybe certain Muslim countries should try helping their own impoverished people rather than trying to hold onto power by using radical Islam and calling for a distraction to their people elsewhere in the world.

 

If we suddenly found a better alternative to oil the majority of the middle east would fall into chaos. Maybe Middle Eastern countries should focus on modernising and diversifying rather than calling for extremist Jihad against a small group that's just trying to survive in the land they came from.

 

Lumping everyone who disagrees with you into a lump you call "ignorant Bush propaganda followers" doesn't make it so and you haven't easily made my whole argument fall apart just because you think I'm wrong.

[Dr.Worthless]

What the !@#$%^&* are you talking about credibility for? Everyone on this forum could think i'm bat-!@#$%^&* crazy and i couldn't give a flying !@#$%^&* about it. You, Astroprodigy and SVS have all proven yourselves less than able to provide rationalexplanations based on logical thinking and observations. I have shown you all how easily your arguments fall apart... leading to your last resort: dismissive insults without proper explanations. You are all truely pathetic because your arguments are based on propoganda and have absolutely no basis in reality once one traces that type of thinking back to the single underlying irrational !@#$%^&*umption. I cannot be any clearer on this and i don't expect you to understand.

 

!@#$%^&*, if you want to be considered a partisan hack that throws !@#$%^&* around without the ability to back it up, no skin off my back. You quoted bush, I asked for the quote, pretty simple.

 

 

You're so full of !@#$%^&* that i'm gonna ask you to explain that. Why is my "logic based comparison" failing? You're just like that Wonderor guy who keeps making accusations as if it's a legitimate argument - You don't even know what a logical argument is!

Proof? -(for the second part). I will now also call for the elimination of Israel! I won't be branded with the terrorist KILLER tag though because i'm a white, british citizen of no faith, who is not living in the Middle East. Of course if i fit the sterotypical terrorist then i would immediately be one for saying that... i would immediately be a m!@#$%^&*-murderer without even lifting a finger.

 

You attempted to compare yourself, a british !@#$%^&* that fails at life and the internet, to a terrorist organization that calls for the destruction of israel, AND LAUNCHES ROCKETS INTO ISRAEL, KIDNAPS SOLDIERS, AND KILLS CIVILIANS, by simply saying "I want israel gone to"

 

THE LOGIC DOESN'T ADD UP BECAUSE YOU SIT YOUR !@#$%^&* IN BRITAIN AND ACT LIKE YOU KNOW WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND HEZBOLLAH LAUNCHES THOUSANDS OF MISSLES AT ISRAEL, THE TWO ARE NOT THE SAME. YOU SAY, HEZBOLLAH DOES. DOES THAT ADD UP? SAYING YOU WANT SOMETHING BUT SITTING YOUR !@#$%^&* IN BRITAIN AND POSTING ON THE INTERNET =! SAYING YOU WANT SOMETHING AND DOING IT BY LAUNCHING EXPLOSIVES INTO CIVILIAN CENTERS.

 

So shove it up your !@#$%^&* you smarmy british !@#$%^&*.

 

 

The British got the land through conquest and asked the UN to allocate it to someone. The US then took this oppurtunity to make it a Jewish state and told countries across Europe to relax laws to allow extensive immigration to Israel. Truman actually said that "I have many Jewish citizens but not so many Muslim citizens and my responsibility is therefore to them"... i wrote the exact quote in another post. Truman was almost single handedly responsible for the creation of Israel. Why would the UN suddenly decide to just give Palestine to the Jews?

Who knows but you can't blame the US when the UN divided the land up. The US might have wanted Israel created, but the UN CREATED IT. Dodge more mother!@#$%^&*er.

 

Then why do you keep replying? Last time i made a post i called you hypocritical on at least three occasions and now you're at it again! You really do define the word SVS. If you want to ignore me then do so. Comments like "lacks rational reasoning skills and factual knowledge of current events" mean absolutely !@#$%^&* all unless you back it up with something other than your own opposite opinion.

 

Wait, wasn't it you just a few posts up that REFUSED TO CITE YOUR SOURCE FOR

" I accused Bush of saying that everyone with opinions like mine should be branded with the terrorist tag that he uses to describe everyone against the US and Israel."

 

Shut the !@#$%^&* up dude, President Bush has NEVER said anyone with opinions like yours should be labeled a terrorist, you're just a !@#$%^&*ing idiot who's partisanship prevents a !@#$%^&*ing sane idea from leaving your brain.

 

SHOW ME WHERE BUSH HAS SAID ANYONE WHO DOESNT AGREE WITH HIM SHOULD BE LABELED A TERRORIST OR SHUT UP. Its simple, no dodging, no bull!@#$%^&* about how you'd have to look up multiple speeches, you quoted bush as saying "that everyone with opinions like mine should be branded with the terrorist tag". Show me the quote.

 

I'm willing to bet i've given more examples of facts on this conflict throughout this topic than anyone and every opinion i present comes from years of interest into the affairs of Israel and the history of its creation. You on the other hand make these one-sentenced posts that continue to prove how ridiculously inane you are.

 

I'll take that bet, 100 bucks over paypal, reply if you're serious and we'll count em up and exchange paypal info.

 

Don't bother replying if all you're going to do is whine about me flaming you either, at this point I've taken just about all I can take of your baseless bull!@#$%^&*. If you've got opinions thats fine, but if you're stating facts GIVE US SOURCES TO BACK EM UP.

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I'm willing to bet i've given more examples of facts on this conflict throughout this topic than anyone and every opinion i present comes from years of interest into the affairs of Israel and the history of its creation.

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Actually you have been pretty light on facts and very high on opinion. It isn't worth debating someone who doesn't care what facts anyone cites, who doesn't care when people point out how faulty his reasoning is. It is worth trolling though, you troll, I troll, we all troll. I wanted a debate of the issue, you wanted to just try to spin everything anyone says by citing your opinion as fact, that bores me so commence the trolling once more!

 

Good day.