Aileron Posted May 2, 2006 Author Report Posted May 2, 2006 Actually nothing is really going wrong with the occupation of Iraq...occupations always take a long time and its still only been 4 years. I mean, traditionally occupations need to take about 20 years, so as to train the next generation not to cater to extremism. In this case we are doing this the smart way actually. We are training an Iraqi army that will probably be fit to take over at about the fifth aniversary and take the rest from there. As for Israel and Palistine, its official. In the back of the newspaper behind all that other garbage news is something Earth-Shattering. Hamas has officially urged Palistinians not to carry out terrorist activities against Israel. Now I officially admit that there may be some tiny speck of good in Hamas now that there is actually evidence that supports that opinion. We'll wait in see if terrorist activities actually stop. Actually Astro, what you described is one of the Ten Commandments "Thou shalt not use the name of thy God in vain." Usually this is interpreted in the way of "don't swear", though the more important interpretation is "don't appoint yourself as an evangical...if you are qualified God will appoint you." Conservative politicians aren't really as bad as the media acts like they are really. Certainly not any worse that Hillary Clinton on that immigration debate.
PoLiX Posted May 2, 2006 Report Posted May 2, 2006 The reason I don't like how it is all coming out the most, is because we're going to !@#$%^&* up again, and this time more publicly. We gave saddam the weapons he used to fight against us. We trained Usama and a lot of al queda to do exactly what they are doing; defending themselves, and being very stealthy at it. We have had a hand in giving our 2 main enemies (saddam's troops, not saddam this time though) at the moment what they needed to evade, and fight us, and we're about to do it again. I don't like the war, never did. I don't like the occupation, never will. But if we pull out too soon, and have trained their military, and something goes wrong as it did in Afghanistan, then those same soldiers we trained, could be fighting against us. Just my opinion.
AstroProdigy Posted May 3, 2006 Report Posted May 3, 2006 You just proved your own point on evangelicals in one point and then discredited it without any proof. Old age occupation methods are not a guide for our current occupation. Most occupations back then involve silencing the media of the occupied area in order to spam your own propaganda at them.
LearJett+ Posted May 3, 2006 Report Posted May 3, 2006 We gave saddam the weapons he used to fight against us. We trained Usama and a lot of al queda to do exactly what they are doing; defending themselves, and being very stealthy at it. We have had a hand in giving our 2 main enemies (saddam's troops, not saddam this time though) at the moment what they needed to evade, and fight us, and we're about to do it again. Blame Jimmy Carter. Polix, I think it unlikely that anyone we train will go against us. The majority of Iraq welcomes a Democracy... and the Taliban is in shambles in Afghanistan. In both cases, an outside party took country of the country (i.e. the Baath party and the Taliban) after we gave them weapons. We are staying and training -- as opposed to just giving out weapons -- to make sure that militaries like the one in Iraq will be able to repel an outside party that is attacking. But who knows... I forget why we're talking about evangelism?
Aileron Posted May 3, 2006 Author Report Posted May 3, 2006 This is an old irrelevent off-topic point, but I feel I can't let this one go. If you can name a single good thing Hitler did after he rose to power, please go ahead and point it out. I cannot, i just don't believe in absolutes. When you said "There is not a single thing he ever said that wasn't out of hatred and powerlust", I just coudn't believe that, i don't think his marriage was out of either of those things.... to say what you said he'd have to be devil. That marriage was out of powerlust. I forget the woman's name, but she wasn't part of the Nazi party. She wasn't responsable for the holocaust nor World War II. The allies weren't coming after her, and if they captured her by accident they would have let her go within a day. She had no reason to kill herself. That act was not out of love. If Hitler loved her he would have persuaded her to leave and find a new live. He wanted to ~posses~ her and take her to his grave. Hitler isn't the devil. He was a human like you or I, and that's scary. Any one of us has just as much capacity for evil, and most who turn to it don't turn back. Its just foolish to think they will spontaneously turn around until one sees evidence of it. Astro...did I ever claim that all conservative politicians are flawless individuals? I support them overall even though I don't agree with every little action they do, mostly because its a two-party system and the alternatives are no-policy democrats. And don't you dare claim my mile-long over-analyzed posts have no proof. Actually the old-age occupation method is actually what we need to do. We do need to silence the Islamic Fundimentalist voice in Iraq and Afghanistan and replace it with our own propaganda, which is that the Middle East must move out of the dark ages and learn to live with the rest of the world. And...that point about supplying our enemies is a great example of why I think nations should be carefull about cooperating with other nations, and illustrates my point of why I didn't see any good in Hamas until they started taking steps. It is foolish to trust the untrustworthy. They should prove themselves an ally or atleast not an enemy before they should be treated as an ally or atleast not an enemy.
AstroProdigy Posted May 3, 2006 Report Posted May 3, 2006 Unrelated analogies are hardly proof. Do you suggest taking over all forms of media in Iraq and Afghanistan and controlling everything the people read or hear? Sounds like what the Nazi Party did.
Gravitron Posted May 5, 2006 Report Posted May 5, 2006 I am a jew, hear me roar.... >_> Reality check. Quite frankly I'm just albeit tired of hearing the "jews rule US gov" repartea.You may say that there are some interest-holding heavy-hitters pushing things, they may even be jews or with so-called jewish interests.But trust me, as a Jew, who lives in Israel, and bangs a daily clock for barely making a living, whatever pushing is being done, I don't benefit from it.Not directly, not indirectly, perhaps somehow, somewhere, along the 80th link the chain of indirectness, I get a minor bonus, like an extra bread grain. P.S.Bread/wheat prices just went up again, yay for our economy.Thank you USA for being such a pro-zionist and helping me so much. P.P.S.Bin Laden's message is this:I want a puppet in your gov, which will do what I say, and let me keep running my drug operation buissness and run dictatorship of terror ruling in afghanistan with long term program for global dominatin, because, like, you know, I'm a power-hungry psychopath dictator who gets off from being able to command ppl to suicide and raping young women. Under Islamic rule, biblical-wise Islamic rule, I'm pretty certain Bin Laden and his types are sentenced to stoning/hanging/decapitation or otherwise.
Dr.Worthless Posted May 6, 2006 Report Posted May 6, 2006 Again you ignore what the situation is. Israel stole the land from Palestine. Citing ancient history is no excuse. The problem now is it's already been done and can't be undone. http://www.lekarev.org/images/misc/Occupation.jpg OH THE HORROR...
Yoink Posted May 6, 2006 Report Posted May 6, 2006 Actually the old-age occupation method is actually what we need to do. We do need to silence the Islamic Fundimentalist voice in Iraq and Afghanistan and replace it with our own propaganda, which is that the Middle East must move out of the dark ages and learn to live with the rest of the world.How can you make statements like this at the same time claim that everyone has fundamental rights? There may be hatred involved in any belief (due to the fact that if you're aware other religions exist, you have to defend yours, to prove it to certainly be the true one), but it isn't OUR job to remove their hatred. It's our job to mind our own business (with the exception of trade and whatnot). I seriously doubt that going to war with Iraq was in our best interest, considering that it didn't result in the removal of WMDs, it only resulted in increased hatred towards the West, for our 'We have to rule the world, there is a POSSIBILITY something bad might happen if these people govern themselves!' at!@#$%^&*ude. Sure, isolationism has proven failure in the past, but let the middle eastern countries learn that on their own, rather than instigating hatred =\.
AstroProdigy Posted May 6, 2006 Report Posted May 6, 2006 You say Arab land as though it's one country. By the way that little island under Turkey is where I'm from and it's a Greek country not Arab....and the smaller island to the bottom left of Turkey is called Rhodes and it's a part of Greece
Dr.Worthless Posted May 7, 2006 Report Posted May 7, 2006 Ah, so do they breed pretentious, ignorant !@#$%^&*holes there or is it a byproduct of the upbringing? Sorry, that was uncalled for I know..
AstroProdigy Posted May 7, 2006 Report Posted May 7, 2006 Gee you have no point to make so you make a racial slur about where I'm from. WAY TO GO!!! It's people like you that give people a reason to hate America. Get your head out of your !@#$%^&* and look at the facts before you ignorantly call the Islamic world a country. That's like saying the Christian world a country or calling Africa a country.
Dr.Worthless Posted May 7, 2006 Report Posted May 7, 2006 ROFL Since when is "pretentious, ignorant !@#$%^&*holes" a racial slur? I really shouldn't waste my time....
Gravitron Posted May 7, 2006 Report Posted May 7, 2006 Again you ignore what the situation is. Israel stole the land from Palestine. Citing ancient history is no excuse. The problem now is it's already been done and can't be undone.The most re!@#$%^&*ed paragraph, ever. http://www.lekarev.org/images/misc/Occupation.jpgPlease, end re!@#$%^&*ecy-bandwidth-leeching world wide, DDoS dumb sites which host dumb pictures.
AstroProdigy Posted May 7, 2006 Report Posted May 7, 2006 "is it a byproduct of the upbringing?" is a racial slur saying that my country is full of inbreds and hicks.
Dr.Worthless Posted May 8, 2006 Report Posted May 8, 2006 "is it a byproduct of the upbringing?" is a racial slur saying that my country is full of inbreds and hicks. ....... Even if i did say, Your country is full of INBRED HICKS, that has nothing to do with race. People of every skin color can be inbred hicks. Please, stop being so ignorant...
Gravitron Posted May 8, 2006 Report Posted May 8, 2006 All races have the capacity of being ignorant, egotestical, intolerant, unintelligent, fanatical, hateful, organic bio-degradeable pieces of trash bags.And that is why I dislike mankind without any discreminations.
AstroProdigy Posted May 8, 2006 Report Posted May 8, 2006 Yeah ok make a racial slur then try to justify yourself that it's a different kind of racial slur so then its suddenly ok.
Dr.Worthless Posted May 8, 2006 Report Posted May 8, 2006 ...... Read this very slowly, and repeatedly until it sinks in. There is nothing racial about the word IGNORANT OR INBRED. NIG*** is racial, only black people can be that. Wet**** is racial, only mexicans can be that. Grin** is racial, only white americans can be that. Olivey the olive man is racial, only greeks can be that (lol, ok I don't know any derogitory racial names for greeks)
AstroProdigy Posted May 8, 2006 Report Posted May 8, 2006 Saying my country is full of inbreds is saying that my country is fundamentally wrong and it's people are ignorant. Sorry i mean ethnically racial. It's slightly different, but has allowed you to argue over your own ignorant insults for a while.
LearJett+ Posted May 8, 2006 Report Posted May 8, 2006 Saying my country is full of inbreds is saying that my country is fundamentally wrong and it's people are ignorant. Sorry i mean ethnically racial. It's slightly different, but has allowed you to argue over your own ignorant insults for a while.It had nothing to do with race. Typical use of the race card, though...
Dr.Worthless Posted May 9, 2006 Report Posted May 9, 2006 Sorry Astro, throwing around the word RACIST might be the default win in the arguements you hold in your young democrat meetings, but with me it just doesn't fly.
Gravitron Posted May 9, 2006 Report Posted May 9, 2006 I voted for Nader, I hate everybody! (stolen from RvB real life vs internet)
AstroProdigy Posted May 10, 2006 Report Posted May 10, 2006 Yeah ok you guys are the ones who are 15th generation in a country where that means inbreeding. Now tell me you don't find this offensive.(Ori is from somewhere else so he doesn't count)
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