it might be a problem with verizon but for me it happened just a few months ago. doing a trace on TW's zone IP shows no packet loss but checking the packet loss in game using "udp" or user defined packets shows huge packet loss. I had 17% loss tonight for example. my friend who was nice enough to try and help me told me it might be because my IP address is stale. So i had verizon try to break the lease and give me a new IP address, but when they tried to do that it wouldnt work (ip address stayed the same). so they shipping out a new modem to me to see if that fixes it. overall, i dont know what the problem is, im just attempting trial and error right now. i find it really strange that i go from 0.1% packetloss everyday for a few years, then to 4% to 20% daily. and it never shows when i do a ping trace, only when i do ?packetloss in game, meaning the UDP is whats wrong here im guessing. ill let you know if a new ip address/modem does the trick. if anyone else has any tips... For me, i can only think of 3 reasons why this is happening: 1) verizon changed something recently and it affects user defined packets. (possible but why only affect subspace and not other things). 2) Subspace and the zones changed something recently and its affecting the same. (unlikely since it only affects certain/few people). 3) Some ridiculously stupid and easy solution like a stale IP or something else like refreshing something lol (usually the case when nobody can point out the obvious given the symptoms). hopefully its 3