Ozn

I just skimmed this and it appears some clueless guy is arguing intangible points with a bunch of experienced people. Standard subspace discussion.

Jesus I give up. Nobody reads on this forum. Good luck folks.

That first paragraph sounds like your team practiced for years worked out a bunch of stuff and got better. Then you attracted a couple really good players that had nothing to do with the previous YEARS of coming together as a team, and those couple guys were integral to your progress to the finals. Just seems like the messages conflict with each other. No. In simple words I said we were a mid-level team that figured out our problems, fixed them and was able to develop the allure necessary to attract more quality players. I also said we spent years not playing as a team, not strategizing and just doing whatever we wanted. Finally we said enough is enough and focused on those things in order to develop a better team. There's nothing conflicting there. My message is....if you're a low-to-mid level team you need to find a way to demonstrate some level of competence and potential in order to attract quality players. You can't just enter league with the mindset that no effort is needed to be successful or to attract better players.

Unfortunately this whole discussion hinges on players changing their personality/behavior. That's a losing battle. It's silly to assume that top players would be complacent with playing on a weaker team just to appease the population. An individual who is competitive at heart naturally expects a level of quality from the individuals they surround themselves with. If they end up on a team that doesn't fulfill that expectation then they will look elsewhere. A top player on a very weak team just becomes a glass cannon. It's like watching an olympic sprinter pass the baton to Xena. That's just how it is and I doubt there is much that can be done to remedy that. Human nature. Competitive people want more out of who they surround themselves with. However, instead of saying "No this won't work" I will give a suggestion. Focus on your core team and figure out what the problem is - and fix it. What's your teamwork like? What's missing from it? Does your lineups consist of the right kind of players? You can't just create a team with a ragtag crew and expect that quality players will flock to your team or you will be successful. You have to generate some level of allure because any quality player can see potential if you've properly displayed it...and if they're available there's a solid chance they will join. I don't think I have to point out how drastically things have changed for us on Critical Mass - but I will anyway. At our core most of us played on Aenima, Thor and Requiem together YEARS before we got traction. Beforehand we didn't really put a substantial amount of thought into lineups, teamwork or much of anything. I think it's safe to say - because of that we hovered around at being a mid-level team. After improving as a team and figuring out what the problems were we had the opportunity to display our teamwork capabilities on Requiem. Subsequently we formed Critical Mass and were able to attract some quality players that were an integral part of us making it to the finals. So with all that said I would sincerely suggest that you stand in front of the mirror and ask what you can do to create a better team. Don't just expect a top player to materialize and solve all your problems because it won't happen.

Yeah it definitely was a challenge format. Based on your position in the Pyramid you could challenge teams above you and you could move up in tiers. They got rid of it because it relied too much on the activity and communication of captains - so they started to create schedules. After that the only reliance on captains was to agree on playtimes - which is gone now and im not sure when that stopped. Sadly the amount of trolls has grown exponentially in our league so I wouldn't poll people on activities that occurred before 2001. In season 0 (pyramid) ONE consisted of trixter, d-tox, babamonkey, Biohazard, THX, Love You (me), Darkhosis and Shiner. I may be missing one or two - but as far as I can remember guys like Jolly Roger were strictly chaos drones. THX played jackpot a lot but did end up in a few matches.

Two things. 1.) You're saying that I should be banned for 90 days for something that isn't my fault. Got it. 2.) Legacy wasn't banned for the same thing. He was banned for dying out in a prac and subbing in with a different name. http://www.subspace.co/topic/26961-rage-is-banned-for-five-5-days/?hl=legacy&do=findComment&comment=287128 It would have almost been better if you didn't respond at all.

Thank you hallu and council. I think it would be self-serving to say anything other than that. See you all in-game.

Thank you. You've just proved all my earlier points regarding your eagerness to see me banned and how this is purely emotional for you.

Unless you're Miley Cyrus I don't know very many people who write like a tween and make 7 figures.

Now I know why you deliver packages for a living. In order for me to duel you that would mean I would have to be unbanned. So I wouldn't "stay" banned. And I will tell my pussy team to grossly outdamage your team and win again, so your teammate can respond by banning me for 90 days for some conjured up reason.

You really are that fucking stupid aren't you? When you die and the glitch happens, you appear with 0 energy right where you have died. With the amount of practices you have played after your UPS route, I'm sure you've seen this glitch. How you're being willfully dense about it makes me want to take a sledgehammer to the billing server. You're missing the point completely. He didn't cheat. He protected himself from getting another death (and given how the sysop has reacted to this situation - the extra death Ozn would have accumulated very well may have counted). Christ, look at the SFE score a few weeks ago: http://svssubspace.com/index.php?page=Game&id=1285912&season=16. How does someone win 13-0? Yeah... exactly. Ozn reacted in under a second being frozen at zero energy with a repel. The repel had NO effect on the game outcome, none. It wasn't malicious in intent. It wasn't done deliberately to mess up the game. It didn't cause anyone to use an item - it didn't cause damage to one of your squad mates. It didn't cause any of the players in the match to take more or less damage. He didn't attach and turn towards your squad, move forward, fire a Thor and then repel. I'm glad you're squad is happy to play a team that now will be hamstrung because the sysop abuses his powers and bans someone who DEFENDED HIMSELF. It's a game/bot glitch. You like how people are threatening to quit.... The fucking sysop of the game is abusing his powers. Why the hell would my team mates or I want to play a game where someone cheats? People have better things to do on Father's Day than show up to play matches in a video game. I sure can't wait to play matches on Thanksgiving weekend this year. The guy needs to GO. You weren't missing half of your starters you were missing one and we were missing one. Unfucking real. Edit: do you notice how basically the entire league feels the same way? Mindriot and Psycho Psematic would rather tell us to die in a fire than say good luck or see us win. They are saying the same things we are. They can see this is blatent. When they agree with us, in tandem with the rest of the league, then you can ship it there is something wrong. The fact I have to point this out to you.. just jesus. Wake the fuck up. u dont see 0 nrg and assume u didnt die when u were obviously OVERKILLED Lol...did he think he was gonna drop that 2000+ damage coming at him at once? none the less, when ur desperate, i guess ull come up with whatever u can to make it sound believable... "I'm glad you're squad is happy to play a team that now will be hamstrung because the sysop abuses his powers and bans someone who DEFENDED HIMSELF." Do you even read? r u so busy running ur trap u cant stop to see that Outlaws r not worried about if he plays or not. u can play 4 ozn's if u want. we dont give a flying-fuck-twat who u start. ur mouth seems to run on overdrive when ur team is up 1 game. i dont recall hearing anything from u beforehand. save it or u just mind end up eating those words. Legacy The only thing you're demonstrating on this forum right now is your unbelievable level of incompetence. If you were wise you would just stop posting because you're far from pragmatic and every time you post something new it just further validates how delusional you are. And I wish we had 4 legacy's to play against because you would get utterly annihilated. I'll just leave this here to illustrate your delusional persona: http://s22.postimg.org/bq289j3kh/2014_01_29_1315.png ll j

When my ship was floating there with 0 energy I had a random spread of bullets near me left over from the fight. The rest of the team had cleared off the screen and I tried to repel the bullets away from me to escape and i was instantly spec'd right after that. I'm on a 27" with 2560x1440 and size small font so I don't have massive kill messages in my face. All I had was a second to react to what happened - which has never happened to me before.

Haha. That bomb probably wouldn't have tk'd you if he repped before he died. Anyway, unless I'm wrong, the glitch where a player lives on their local client but the server calculates a death has been experienced by a multitude of players (myself included). I don't think it's possible to claim that's what happened here because there's no way he could've lived the damage that was dealt in that situation. Yep, you're wrong in this instance. As you said - it's a glitch that's occurred before. However, I don't think you can confidently claim that every damage packet I (and Legacy) received and sent was accounted for. Actually, you can't say that about anybody because nobody has a perfect connection. So to state that there's no way I could have lived is a theory and not a fact. Your opinion of how much damage was taken is hugely flawed anyway - because you were connecting from Turkey on Sunday. I'm still waiting for an Outlaws player to speak in a manner that's truly neutral and not rooted in a desire to see me get banned for something that didn't happen. Everyone else seems to get it and doesn't automatically assume that I tried to do something malicious.

From what you've heard...from Caerbannog. There was no attempt to alter the game. I had ONE FUCKING SECOND to react to some bullshit glitch in this game and my first knee-jerk reaction was to repel. When faced with ONE SECOND how would you react to something you've never seen before? You're acting as if I had all this time to sit there and weigh the pros and cons my situation. Jesus christ. The fact that a discussion about me being punished, how long I should be banned for - or that I was"altering" the game is even being mentioned is still completely asinine. I said I wasn't going to respond anymore but I still can't believe these discussion points are still being identified and mulled over. Caerbannog logged on the forums yesterday and responded to a thread about a BUNNY instead of handling this. By virtue of that it's clear to me this is personal and he is biased. You don't ban someone without informing them and the league - then pussyfoot around and rub it in someone's face by posting in a worthless topic. He knows what's going on and he's loving it.

I understand all the posts here have been made in a desire to see some logic and fairness applied in the matter - and im looking for the same thing too. I appreciate seeing that we still have people in this game who understand how ridiculous this is and how things are being handled poorly. The fact that any amount of ban time was applied and considered is still off-putting and completely wrong. At no point was I trying to do something malicious here and when I tried to log in Sunday night I was genuinely in shock that I was banned. The game code bugged in a way that ive never seen before and I had no idea what was going on, period. I wish I had a better explanation but I don't. I can't believe that this whole thing has gone this far. From what ive gathered not a single person other than Caerbannog can claim they saw me attach (out of an arena of 50) to repel or whatever. Legacy even chimed in and said he didn't see what happened but still wants to see me get banned too. His reasons are quite clouded because the only comments he would give revolved around him getting banned for something, him thinking i suck and that we got a fluke win. Sound logic. So as it stands: 1.) The bot and game client did me a disservice and screwed up. After the double-kill my ship read 0 energy and i was floating in open space in the same spot. Thinking by divine intervention I survived I subsequently repelled the 3-4 bullets that surrounded me and tried to move....then I was spec'd by the bot. I've never experienced this before, it's news to me. 2.) As seen on the video my teammates were all grouped together off my screen. I did not attach to any of them and for me it's physically impossible to do something that quickly. The thought had not even crossed my mind. 3.) Nobody in the arena saw me attach. (because I didn't) 4.) Caerbannog says he saw me attach (1 guy out of 50) So given these circumstances that were completely out of my control not only am I considered for a ban but was in fact banned for 90 days. I was not questioned about it, informed about it or even aware it was happening. This makes the whole thing so shady. Whether I am banned for this weekend's matches or 90 days it still produces the same outcome. Caerbannog's team (Outlaws) gets to remove me from contention for games 2 and 3 of the semi-finals. If im still banned for 90 days, i will surely quit the game for good. If I am banned for this weekend's matches, I will surely quit the game for good. After 17 years of playing this game I have never been banned. Basically because im not stupid enough to break the rules, especially in a semi-finals match. Now, despite the dilapidated state of league a completely conjured up reason has been put forth by a sysop who hates me and my squad and his team is currently down 1 game in the semi-finals. Awesome. I don't know what else to say. I guess this can be considered the lowest point of this league if the ban isn't removed. When questioned about the events Caerbannog claims that it doesn't matter if I attached or if the bot bugged - that I still deserve to be banned. Anyway, thanks for the support everyone. This will be my last post on the matter - and if im not unbanned it was nice knowing you all.

and feel free to check the game log. There's a reason you don't see me type !items in pub - it's because I always have the ticker on the bot so I can PM it with my !items macro. I say it's physically impossible to attach because i would have to scroll up to the top and hit f7 + repel in under a second. But im glad shit is being made up.

I've learned that apparently I attached to a teammate and repelled when I got KO'd in the match. As if that's physically possible to do? When legacy and I were fighting i saw him die and my ship went to 0 energy and i was just floating there - I thought I got away so I repelled. This is a known bot/game bug. This is a pretty far reach.

? i havent even been online since the game...

So I just tried to log on and find out ive been banned? Not sure what's going on...ive been banned until October. This is pretty convenient.

The issue is that there's so many facets to the overall problem that it's difficult to pin them all down and make a change. One of the major problems is that this game is largely political behind the scenes. I have put in a strong level of effort with other individuals to do things like create a better website, a new SVS-settings zone that's easy to foster growth for newbies, etc and it's all been met with resistance. The guys in charge have a significant amount of influence on who can do what. Another issue is what Bargeld called out. The source code and game title itself is in limbo and we don't know how far we can go pushing it into the market without Priitk coming out of nowhere to snuff it out. It's a product that has zero representation and an owner who can barely be bothered to reboot a server when it's gone down. Another issue is the path which a newbie has to enter. Right now if you go and download the game there's a trick to get the zone list to come up because of the hacker garbage that went down a little while ago. Additionally, there's nothing stopping a newbie from entering trench wars first because people will gravitate towards the larger population. It's very difficult for someone to enter chaos and understand that a custom arena list is where pro practices occur. I could go on and on but it's just so all over the place. I commend anyone for trying to tackle the problem but it's quite a bit of shenanigans to navigate.

It may just have to fall to whoever runs the website to zip up the new zone list with the executable and put a readme.txt in there - then provide the download as the zip. I don't know how easy it would be to re-create the current executable to include the updated zone list. If someone knows how to do that it would be the most user-friendly way to handle it so people trying to come back don't just give up.

Yeah and my team is still number 1 assuming we score more points than our opponents in games. Pew pew pew. It's quite amazing how delusional you are. I guess you forgot about all those times you either jumped squads with a few players after you had no chance of being in the playoffs. And the times you quit on your squad after everything didn't go according to plan? Oh and I'd much rather watch Mindriot vs. Joe Jr. if their squads have people show up, than watch Assassins vs. The Dark part 65 with the same players over and over. However, I'd rather play vs. either of the latter squads. Or would've rather done so back when I almost cared. Either way, Three is a useless dick, don't mind him Your persona in this game is comparable to that retarded ratty creature in star wars that shit-talks and laughs at everything like a scumbag. The only difference is instead of sitting on Jabba's lap you're sitting on Outlaw's cock - contributing zero to the team and getting filled with asian rice cream. http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzmje0xfGp1rpavuyo1_400.gif

I guess there is an assumption that if scheduling was left up to captains then it would never get done. Additionally, a mod has to load the bot with the game before it can be played - so a mod would need to be available at the time of the game. I believe this is why the games only take place during 3pm and 4pm...so it's easier to manage. Most of the shortcomings we have from a league management perspective stems from the website and bots' lack of features. That compounded with Caerbannog's significant decrease in activity is causing these types of issues. Yes, Caerbannog waiting until the last minute to post match times is a problem. We're all older now and have life obligations that don't enable us the luxury of blocking off several hours of our Sunday because we don't know match times early enough to plan.

I'm assuming games tomorrow are cancelled? Didn't see a schedule or announcement and it's a bit late for people to make adjustments for tomorrow's holiday.

What people don't realize is Sterling evolved as a top team with the same people over the course of like 6 years. If Rage wanted to join Intrepid or Assassins at their prime then he could have - and would have done just as good as Dingo/Travis. Instead he decided to play with friends and stuck his neck out a lot in games to try and make big plays. As for Kingnewbie, the reason I point out that he wasn't as impactful back then was because the talent pool was larger - subsequently making his light in league a bit dimmer. Now we have a population of like 80 and he sticks out more because the talent pool is substantially smaller.