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Cool idea to get more new players involved If my availability wasnt so damned erratic i wouldve liked to try this too :S

I was just posting in another thread about how i liked the old Alpha map as well, and how itd be good for chaos too with some modifications to the boundaries ...... B4 - B19 - R19 - R4 And theres this thread about another map as well ...... but the current map shown in ?go wobit isnt the same map we tried before is it ?!?! ARE there actually plans for a new map ? I would prefer the old ALPHA map !!

The Alpha map was pretty awesome this past week ! This current Chaos map is pretty boring ....... id actually rather have the old Alpha map permanently !! The map is a little big though, so is there any way to cut out some of the periphery ? ...... B4-B19-R4-R19 ..... adjusting the boundaries as needed That old map actually has a nice mix of open areas, and obstacles, and passages etc. It was actually alot of fun to play in.

I didnt play it as much as i wouldve liked, but from what i did try, I really liked that map Its nice and open, but still has some areas to navigate around. It works well for 1v1 and also if its 1vSwarm

Just popped into Chaos for a bit and i was the only one who wasnt in spec mode. With this reset we're back at 30bty start and variable start with 'status' items ...... but i cant even find greens to powerup I flew around the central castle, and there wasnt a green on my radar for almost 30seconds .... and when Hibachi unspecced, for some reason he ended up on my freq even though there were no other ppl in the zone ? Im guessing theres still more tweaking to do

I love random shrap ..... ok maybe not 'love' it, because it seems to kill me when i cant predict where to stand when i hit a mine or bomb http://forums.ssgn.net/public/style_emoticons/default/vava.gif I also like the idea of random damage from bullets too .... which makes it more challenging in a way because youre not sure how many bullets you can actually take And in a way, it seems more realistic. Its as if some hits are more critical than others ! The biggest problem was the low number of greens. They were pretty hard to find, which means you really valued them .... but the difficulty was trying to find them when the population was low. Then you might have a high bounty (or even a turret) chasing after you, and you have no SPEED, or RECHARGE, or ENERGY, or guns or anything and you cant even find greens I did find more teamwork ..... but as mentioned, with few freqs of larger numbers, you may end up with one large turret, and no choice but to chase a turret or leave. The lancaster i think is better with just one bounce. I think it actually required SOME amount of skill to use. It gets ridiculous and requires no skill when someone can just fly around lobbing lanc bombs that just bounce everywhere, and its even dumber when its used for line bombing. The shark, i havent tried it much, but do people prefer it with the cloak and extra energy ....... or do they prefer the rapid guns ? Because it definitely shouldnt have both. Its crazy enough as it is with the rapid guns !! BTW ...... NO BONUSES =

I remember a few days when JeffP came into one of the zones (cant remember which one) and hed mess with the settings a bit for fun for a few mins. The ships had multiple bursts, multiple reps, rapid fire guns and bombs etc

Im not sure when it was first being tried out, but i saw it a few nights ago. At that time, when those of us playing noticed the density of greens, we asked about it, and Hallu played around a little with the area in which the greens appeared. Originally it was so dense that there were greens and flags within such a condensed area that it was actually hard to see mines because of all the clutter He spaced it out some more with feedback so it wasnt TOO cluttered at least.

I totally agree ..... i vote for keeping these settings too ! And Sam's idea about greens seems like a good one.

Hahahahah, classic LOL oddly enough ... i didnt see him around last night late on when i got to the zone, and there were quite a few 3-4 ppl freqs playing. And that main area WAS pretty damn chaotic And i have to admit ... after mostly seeing Gads lame turret that runs away from a 4on1, when Fong didnt run, it was kind of scary seeing all those blue bombs heading at me. I had to run away more

Im not sure what part you think is incorrect ? The multiple-computers was already mentioned by two admins ..... and what was done ? Hes till DOING it. But anyway ..... if you want, msg me. But i think we're going to have to agree to disagree Beyond what ive already mentioned in how things played out, and the lack of info and the RESULTING appearance, there are other reasons that make that appearence seem likely that i may tell you in pvt if you want to discuss

Close bomb EMPs freezing your own energy. Oh, and you could kill yourself in SubSpace via closebombs. (still works in the tutorial v 1.34 IIRC) Did you make up your mind on where you stand on bonuses yet? "Hunters" being able to !bonus speed was a horrible thing for you a few threads ago. Now not having bonuses hurts turrets? What? Gad wants whatever favors him. He wants to be lame but heaven forbid anyone else can be. This is why no bonuses is a good thing, hunters don't have them and niether do turrets, I don't see any inequality here. Bonuses are a terrible idea. One of the main objectives of the zone is to use your weapons wisely, if you don't you will most likely die. Being able to acquire weapons (!bonus booster) at will is not even close to what the game is supposed to be like. If you want things like they were in the old days then you shouldn't want bonuses. Amen Ethy I prefer no bunuses at all. And the proposed costs for the following reset (?) are still cheap, so they'll still be overused. And the self-emp .... i was just noticing that last night I was messing around and shooting emps point-blank, and all it did was reduced my energy, but it didnt freeze ..... just immediately started recharging. I never noticed that before When im fighting other ships, i sometimes try and get close so they cant bomb me for fear of prox damage. And weasels are pretty dangerous when used properly as it is, and i figured if i got in close, their prox would negate some of their advantage by making the pilot worry about freezing himself after shooting me

Noone said it WASNT legal ..... so go ahead ..... and youve already mentioned your 'options', so im not sure why youre saying it again ? Just to reiterate that youre 'crying ? So in case you missed where i referenced your options, ive reposted it. But i wonder if [Esc Q] or ship changing to avoid deaths ..... by which you artificially affect stats (which seems pretty important to you) ..... would fall under 'cheating' ? But then again, youve already used multiple-computers, for various other reasons to 'cheat' and nothing was done ...... so chances are nothing will be done anyway. Which would explain why you continue to do it But anyway ……. Option A …. use the same bonus points to assist in running like hell if anyone so much as turns your way (even when it’s a 4-man turret on 1 ). Option B ….. youre already pretty lame as it is, why change now ? And btw, if you guys DO want to ship change (or even Esc Q), that means you’ve either been chased out of the zone like a coward (which isnt a big deal to you because thats the norm) and/or youre no longer on your turret … you need to green … and the rest of the zone will probably swarm and kill you ANYWAY I know you won’t really mind if we all ignore all other targets and just keep killing you repeatedly ….. Option C ….. it seems like you’ve been allowed to cheat REPEATEDLY and gotten away with it so far. Apparently its ok. But who knows, maybe at some point you’ll be banned And Ethy ..... he ALREADY did get his way. So he found that it works ..... therefore, why change As long as he cries, he doesnt need to actually do anything else

WHAT THE HELL !! MY EMOTES !!! http://forums.ssgn.net/public/style_emoticons/default/cray.gif So how long was this ‘experiment’ going on for ? And as I already asked ….. what IS the data that was evaluated and what were the findings ? And NFS why are you talking about the RESET 'wasnt brought forward or delayed to accomodate anything' ?!?! That was never a question. Do you actually KNOW if the experiment had 'run its course' ? The appearance is that the 'experiment' was ended at the EARLIEST convenient opportunity (i.e. nearest reset .... "coincidentally" within days of Gads whining). And with no information, claiming the 'experiment had run its course' as the convenient justification for this ending still seems alot like caving in ..... If youre claiming to run it as an experiment, then publish your findings LIKE you would with an experiment No information was given about the changes BEFORE it occurred (so that results weren’t contaminated?), at least expand on the info AFTER the experiment by providing some answers so we can see what can be learned from the experiment. You can learn a lot from FAILED experiments as well as SUCCESSFUL ones ….. NFS ….. lol im pretty sure im not the only person who thinks his playing ‘stlye’ is lame … but ok You can assume that its just MY opinion ALONE if youd like. As always the silent majority will remain … silent So we wont really know which way they go do we ? And as you’ve already agreed, ive made some effort to contribute to these forums. Hopefully it helps the zone. Maybe it affects play-styles that I don’t personally like. Does that mean they are mutually exclusive ?!?!? I can make the claim that its ‘CAVING IN’ because the ONLY info I HAVE to go on so far is that “GAD CRIES = SETTINGS CHANGED BACK ASAP” And yes …. I CAN claim that a change was made to specifically NOT hurt Gad. Why ? Because as mentioned, ‘Gad and his gunners complain that it hurts them, and settings were changed’. But feel free to tell me im wrong ….. I don’t mind. Just tell me why Same way I will ALSO agree or disagree with points, but i at least will state my reasons ….. because then there can be some clarification. Which is where the info I requested earlier comes in. Ummmmm ….. I don’t remember EVER saying it should be illegal and outlawed. So please show me where ive said this. Ive said I think it’s a lame tactic. If youre going to claim IM trying 'disinformation' (despite providing references and reasoning with my posts) then you should at least show me where i said that ..... ? Errr NFS …. The only other person that complained about the 1min mines was you ? …. Was this before or after you mine-repped ? LOL. If you go back and read my post, it wasn’t about hurting GAD, it was about finding a ‘scaling adjustment’ (as you called it), the 1min mines may not have started as this but WERE a scaling adjustment ….. to reflect the zone as it is now. SMALL, with very FEW players. Ive explained how in other posts. As stated before, ‘inconclusive’? At helping new people ? You mean those TWO people who turreted hallu while Gad was there (one time I saw them turreting), but played on their own while no one was mine repping (again I saw them once). Was it also inconclusive as a ‘scaling adjustment’ too ? Ive posted PROs and CONs with regard to that. Which part of that was inclonclusive ? I don’t remember seeing any responses to that. I’ll go recheck later. And Gad&Cos whining isn’t being dismissed, I asked him to provide info too. Which he conveniently hasn’t. However it seems my OWN questions ARE being dismissed So apparently its not information thats sought, but non-substantiated whining. You asked ME if im trying to help the zone, or hurt a playing style …..go back and read my posts, ive ALREADY provided answers in the form of pros and cons as to why it would help the zone and what type of styles it would probably affect and HOW. So ask Gad the same question….. “At this point the question must asked: would you like to see things happen that help the zone, or things happen that hurt play-style you personally don't like?” (hunters and general melee fighters). Is that what they actually SAID, or what youre assuming ? Did you ask ? How many chaos players read the forums regularly and followed the discussion to consider the positions ? Samy seems to think it DID help. Chances are there are others who believe the same. But he says he would still prefer no changes being made. Which is totally fine. He noticed a difference, but just doesnt think any changes should be made to certain settings from the original days. Ideally that would be great ..... if it was still the old days with LOTS of players.

Ya and the zone population once again will probably be cut down by 1/3 as well as Hallu continues to mess with the settings to satisfy cry baby hunters who find it hard to kill a turret. I'm guessing that all of Hallu's changes wont help the population. I'm guessing that turrets will just Ship change in open space since when the hunters come after them because they are mad that they are not allowed to Spend hard earned bonus points when they need them. Hmmmm I wonder which Option will make the hunters more Mad? Option A: turret runs away with bonus points, 1 hour later hunter gets to kill turret with 4,000 bounty Option B: every 1/2 hour the turret when out of toys or under pressure ship changes in open space so Hunters Never get a big bounty kill. Building macro to Esq Q and Ship change right now baby...... LOL @ “hard earned bonus points” I chuckled a bit when I read that Allll that effort of mine-repping, and fleeing to hide in Safe Zones ... So here we go again ….. more crying ….. “cry baby hunters” ….. ironic …… crying about ‘cry baby hunters’ ? But wait, previous results (with changes to mines) have shown that this works, therefore basic psychology suggests that the behavior will continue or even increase to attain maximum returns Oddly enough, that same experiment showed that any kind of wild claims with nothing to substantiate them are much more effective at getting results. But anyway ……. Option A …. use the same bonus points to assist in running like hell if anyone so much as turns your way (even when it’s a 4-man turret on 1 ). Option B ….. youre already pretty lame as it is, why change now ? And btw, if you guys DO want to ship change (or even Esc Q), that means you’ve either been chased out of the zone like a coward (which isnt a big deal to you because thats the norm) and/or youre no longer on your turret … you need to green … and the rest of the zone will probably swarm and kill you ANYWAY I know you won’t really mind if we all ignore all other targets and just keep killing you repeatedly ….. Option C ….. it seems like you’ve been allowed to cheat REPEATEDLY and gotten away with it so far. Apparently its ok. But who knows, maybe at some point you’ll be banned Again ? 1/3 ? ….. that’s right … youre GUESSING. That’s the only fact you’ve ever stated Hell , I could say that the zone went down by 1/3 DUE to bonuses even being introduced in the first place …. At least the numbers would demonstrate MY argument more so than yours I know you’ve had more success with this type of approach where wild claims are enough. But amaze everyone …… explain WHY ? and HOW ? The zone numbers aren’t exactly increasing as things are. Numbers have gone down over the years (for a variety of reasons). And are you saying that YOURE going to leave Gad ? That might be an interesting experiment in itself