krslynx

Lol, I think an upgrade is long overdue.

Sounds like a smart tactic.

BS Computer Science

Wow, this is impressive. Thanks.

^^ - There's your designer. To be honest, with RubyOnRails I can't see it being hard at all to redesign SSDL from a performance perspective, while also having somebody who's into making things look pretty design all of the CSS/JS/images for the site.

Why are people associating clicks with more players? Perhaps it'd be better to get some statistics from http://getcontinuum.com, then compare the downloads of the client to clicks - you'll then be able to find your loss etc. I believe Trained done this before, it makes far more sense.

Bandwidth wasn't the issue. Cerium covered that, and CRe's connection isn't sufficient enough to bring a 10MBPS uplink to it's knees (even if CRe has a decent ISP, his connection will have a HUGE share ratio), even though TTs connection is serving 69 other websites. What brought the server to a slow-down was the PHP requests, as L.C. quoted me on earlier, over 1300 of them. Although it could be future prevented with perhaps a few lines of code, really SSDL should be redesigned but it's a question of who'd actually redesign SSDL.

Hrmm, I'd suggest compiling from source if you're able to, it's very easy to do, but then again I could be stating the obvious. Post again if you're unsure how to or anything like that.

You can download a copy of kernel32.dll.so from here. You'll need to place this into /usr/lib/wine/ however, make a backup of your current kernel32.dll.so, as this was compiled on Ubuntu not Fedora, and I have no idea whether that will matter.

I think he was more so after the Client, in which case it's closed source and I don't think you'd have any luck getting the source - as personally I believe that Continuum isn't even built completely from source and the owners of said 'source code' are pretty much impossible to contact. It'd be cheaper for you to start from scratch, a lot cheaper.

Mhmm, true. I've got a RapidShare acct. I can upload the files to, too. I don't know if L.C. still has them, though. I also don't know whether the files include any files that belong to TT, he'd need to clear that up. -L

Lol, team A loses? I think the assessment was more-so a dead horse was done getting beaten. This could have been easily avoided by better communication, and better planning on each side. Edit: I think a torrent file wouldn't work, I can't see enough people seeding for it but perhaps I could be wrong.

I like that quote.

Just to clear up Testtube and I have sorted things out privately. For the sake of my own credit, I am only holding back the Python scripts so it takes more than any kid to come in and effectively DDOS/DOS any site they like. Although the download function on the script did wait to complete for a move-on, the assessment was that because 30% of the database consisted of approximately 1300 of the files, and there was no wait timer on the script too many PHP requests were made in a very short amount of time. Ultimately, it's a shame that things had to turn out like this, and it's a shame that L.C. is quitting over something that will probably be forgotten about in a few months. Oh well, I guess that's how Subspace goes. Maybe L.C. will rethink this decision. Peace, -Lynx

The idea isn't supposed to be here to retain cheaters. I think the worst thing we can do is let the people who fuck up the game know that the game is free to fuck up again. Maybe just convert everything into name-bans would be an option, to be honest... I'd be sceptical of any.

You're clearly more of an idiot than I gave you credit for. Firstly, the only files that were downloaded were the files: http://subspacedownloads.com/download.php?fid=1 http://subspacedownloads.com/download.php?fid=2 http://subspacedownloads.com/download.php?fid=3 .... http://subspacedownloads.com/download.php?fid=1350 If you have any files that are personal under those URLs, then you should know that they're completely public - therefore, it's nothing short of being fucking autistic to host those files there and complain when they're downloaded. So bullshit to you imaging me to have taken your personal files, and if you do have any files there they shouldn't have damn well been there. Secondly, removing my access of the server will not change a damn thing for the following reasons: I did not write the script that was used to take the files from your server, I wrote a different one I did not use the script I do not intend to download any files from you I gain nothing from your downtime, or give a shit about how poorly you administer your 70 or so businesses from a single fucking VPS, while openly admitting that you already have I/O and B/W errors... Oh, and then being shocked that the server ran into issues when somebody started to actually use the fucking site. I have little to no interest in Subspace anymore. Even if I did want to damage your server, downloading a bunch of files would be the last option on my list I could easily circumvent a ban you make, seeing as you don't seem very savvy about anything so far at all All of the above. Even if you did ban me, in all probability I wouldn't even notice. Thirdly, your actions in spending more money on the server to ensure it won't go down again explicitly proves that you have yourself noticed your own poor administration practices. It's nothing short of naive to blame your sites for going down when you can half expect them to go down when they're put under (in this case slight) strain. I think I am done listening to your bullshit accusations for now.

This still doesn't escape the fact that even the weakest of my VPS servers could have served 50 people running the script all at once. Like I said, and I am going to say again, I don't deny the server having issues because of what I done, however I do question that the script is the main contributing factor to what took down your server - your server struggled because it's been administered poorly. Furthermore, banning everybody would have made 0 difference. We've got the files. And I understand why you're pissed. Your server screwed up. But you can't expect me to sit here, and let you call me a fucking criminal because you've administered your server improperly causing the server to go down.

Which is why I said again, and again that it's an issue with how you've administered the sites. The script queued each download, and downloaded one at a time. Provided that two of the files in the SSDL database make up for around 70% of the entire file list, we'll use the example of downloading Subspace.iso (~500MB). Going by what Cerium has already said, and what is clearly true the bottleneck of speed would happen on CRe's end, not on yours, therefore let's say I download Subspace.iso now, you could expect a bandwidth strain of 192KBps for ~45 minutes. So, are you suggesting that if I had previously downloaded Subspace.iso alone you'd have had all of the global issues that you're on the whole complaining about? Again, the same argument as above applies. The script done no more damage than me downloading Subspace.iso, and the fact that we are having this discussion right now questions whether it was improper and not acceptable. The bottom line is that you refused to hand over the data in a way that would have been better for both you and L.C., so the conventional method of downloading each file had to be used (which stressed the poorly administered site, and on the whole would have used up more bandwidth and CPU due to more pageviews etc). If the site is not intended to be downloaded in one sitting, then you should have let L.C. grab all of your files as he requested in the first place, and let him provide all of the files in bulk. Instead you went down the path saying that he has no right to the files 'that took you years of work to gather'. Furthermore, I clearly explained exactly how the script worked. It used no illicit methods, it simply visited pages that were COMPLETELY PUBLIC, just like any of the thousands of web crawler bots do *every single day*.

Why do we need more banG operators? We've got plenty of active operators that can create netbans. What we need is better communication through Subspace in general.

Would you then say, for example, slashdot.org is equally as illicit? Most sites featured on slashdot.org are pretty much completely compromised, and judging by how your server handled a download script I am sure SSDL would have also been compromised. Errors in the way in which your site(s) handle high traffic shouldn't be put down to people trying to DOS or DDOS you. Perhaps you should check for errors in your SQL database and how it handles asynchronous connections, or how much load you allocate to single downloads/connections. It's all well and good saying this once somebody has gathered all of the data themselves, but the simple fact is that L.C.s requests have not changed at all from day one. Don't use your creation of the ZIP archive for L.C. as a means to help the community, although it's a positive donation, the real reason isn't hard to see. Not until I had to manually check what you were talking about when you were accusing us of breaking the law, and threatening with DMCA notices, oh and then having empty threats sent to CRe and I over AIM (even though you could have talked to me directly via AIM, or Continuum). That's a completely unrealistic request. Have you tried to download multiple files from SSDL? What would have effectively took literally days to do manually took CRe> something like 90-120 minutes. Also, the data that was 'cloned' were only the raw files (that are not owned by SSDL) and the crippling of the website you could either argue were the scripts used, or poor administration. Either way, the site wasn't intentionally crippled so that's a non-issue anyway. Either way, as I've already said - things could have happened differently. TT could have initially handed the files over, or we could have warned TT, or we could have set timers on the scripts so it would wait x seconds before resuming to the next download... But, what's done has been done.

I don't see how it could have caused load on the server, I'll get CRe> to send me the code that he used (I used a different coding method) and see if there were errors. Other than that, the script was no different to the method that any search engine uses to look through websites. It seems like there's not much anything else to say.

Download TouchTerm on your iPhone, and SSH to a computer which accepts SSH connections. You can run CCC from the terminal effectively proxying your connection from your computer, to your iPhone.

DOS doesn't apply when there's one person downloading single files over a short period of time. Not unless you're on a very crappy uplink... which you're not. If that were the case people could download Subspace.iso from SSDL and effectively DDOS SSDL/SSForum etc.

1.6GB

Although you've made a barely comprehensible reply, let me retort on the parts which at least make some sense. I'll try to ignore your childish abrasiveness and your empty and pointless attempts to belittle me as I make this reply too... Firstly, you're using the argument that because we downloaded all of the files from SSDL, we've somehow now made SSDL redundant. This is a fallacy and I can only put that down to your shallow logic of why we have collected the files from SSDL. Furthermore, sites which have the features that SSDL has is not going to harm SSDL, but should only cause SSDL to start to innovate more, and improve the way that it works. In your replies, and in your actions of not handing files to L.C., you're doing nothing more than fight competition and set SSDL as the only subspace website which provides the features that it does. Your actions of doing so can be easily seen when you make replies like this: Testtube: 'This is my site. With content that i have put up maintained and paid to have online for years I don't want to give the data contents away to you or anyone else so they can throw together something that i have been working on for several years. Its my hobby work on your own.' The simple fact is that the files which you host on that site are not yours. If somebody else believes that they can improve the game further by providing other means of download (which still wouldn't damage SSDL) then why would you prevent them, other than because you want SSDL to be the only ship in the ocean. The simple fact is that reliance on one person, one server or anything like that in Subspace has only caused the community in general more trouble than it has good. Instead of embracing an open attitude towards competition - you've monopolised yourself, and on top of that you've tried to belittle anybody who's questioned your ways with your abrasive and childish replies. You then provided L.C. with an ultimatum, you demanded that you would not compress all of the files and send them to him - yet you stated that he can manually download each file one-by-one from SSDL to get what he wants. So, in reply to your outlandish request - a script was made to visit each download link (and not visit each page on top of that, therefore not raping your servers as much as somebody clicking each link to download) and store the files, so L.C. could continue with his projects. Let me say again, all of this could have been avoided if you'd have embraced a more open attitude towards the development of this game, and provided L.C. an easier way to download all of the files, but as you said - the damage has been done. Now, I can bet that you're going to babble on about how long you've been a patriot for Subspace - by paying loads of bills and whatnot, and then go on about how SubspaceDownloads does not need to be replaced as it's had such a shining uptime and blah blah blah, but to reply in an instance: Reliance on ONE person using a CLOSED system is completely futile and is probably the SOLE reason this game has stagnated as much as it has. Competition and open standards only causes those maintaining their systems to continue to maintain their systems, and innovate to make things better. "This has NOTHING to do with being a elitist i am one of the most down to earth people in the game the difference is I happen to love it and have contributed more to it than you ever will. and i take offense when people take something that is in essence a gift and shit all over it." Your actions prove otherwise. Instead of helping L.C. create something better than SSDL, you crippled L.C. completely and provided him nothing but an awkward way to gather the files which would simply be otherwise impossible to gather in Continuums current population and development climate. "So because i didn't provide him with all the files that i have layed out in my site that gives him and everyone else the right to fuck my server?" If you don't provide a service that needs to be served, and you openly set yourself out to be the ONLY person in the community to provide that service, it will eventually be served by another means. Furthermore, I fail to see how a mass download of the files on SSDL *FUCKED* your server - it never even DOS'd your server. It's no secret that SSDL only gets a fraction of page visits that it once did, and therefore only serves a fraction of bandwidth it once did. Adding that to the fact that downloading ALL of your content in a single day only constitutes to 30% of your monthly bandwidth, and I can safely state again - your server never got fucked. "While you might be right if all of the subspace related sites went down would subspace still be alive? Sure it would but why add additional nails in the coffin In addition theirs people PAYING money out of their pockets for advertising campaign for this dieing game." And as I'm going to iterate, just because the files are openly available it doesn't mean that SSDL is suddenly going to go down. I think that this should be pretty Q.E.D. at the moment, as the files are now all available to anybody, and hazaa, SSDL is still there. I never said that SSDL/SSForum/w.e other SS site shouldn't be here, you just jumped to that conclusion when you without realising you made yourself, and your own emotions mutually exclusive to SSDL and SSForum. I admit and agree with doc flabby though - we probably should have warned TT first (although, he'd have said no - and we'd have still done it anyway...). I also agree with the rest of your post, doc. Then, moving onto your next post you've gone as far to accuse us of stealing or breaking the law. I guess this is just a typical trend you see far more now-a-days.. If you can't innovate, litigate. TestTube: "Not all of the content they retrieved was subspace related which means its of personal nature which then means it was stolen. More than likely stolen using accounts given to them for free from the web community" I have no idea what the latter half of what you're saying means, but I can assure you that nothing was stolen. Although I am not going to release my code publicly (I will release it to people whom I see fit), I will go over how everything worked. Firstly, I noticed that every file on SSDL was linked to a file id - these ranged up from 1 to ~1300. The base URL for each file ID was: http://subspacedownloads.com/download.php?fid= The script then iterated from id 1, up until the last id was found (there were checks in place to find null or non-existing values). The simple fact is that every file downloaded was public, and available simply by adding a number to the end of the above URL. If you had any private data after the above template URL, then you're naive for doing so and I suggest that you re-think where you place your private information. I'd also like to reiterate that nothing was stolen, so perhaps you should either revise what you think stealing is, or work on expanding your lexicon. Furthermore, the script is friendly as it downloads in chunk and only commits to one download at a time - therefore shouldn't have placed any noticeable strain on your bandwidth in terms of denial of service, or CPU. Now, I completely see why you're pissed off. Don't get me wrong, if there was another way to do this - I'd have done it but you openly made L.C. look like a fool by belittling him and I have no doubts that if I had asked you for the files in bulk - you would have said no. On top of that, around the last time that L.C. was talking to you about making the content mirrored I attempted to contact you personally *several* times over AIM, yet you never responded. We'll touch on this more when I talk about the replies that doc flabby has made. TestTube: "I am not keeping it to myself the content has been available for download for 6 years? or longer. I am simply saying I will not just zip up ssdl contents and then hand it over to you. Nor anyone else." Also, your attempts at turning this into a legal case are again laughable. The content which was on SSDL is not your content, and if you possess any copyrights to the content then I am sure L.C. will happily accept any DMCA claims that you might have provided you explicitly state which files are copyrighted to you. Furthermore, I can see exactly where doc flabby is coming from. The problems that were faced in this thread, are faced throughout subspace in general in terms of development. Some new order needs to be made, and it needs to be made soon in order to help the development of this game move to hold as much of our population as possible. Hopefully, instead of trying to offend and belittle one another we can continue this thread in a more pragmatic way - it'll be the last thread I'm posting to on these forums.