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Ahh, gotcha.

Haha, I was actually surpised when randomly jumping on continuum the other day seeing the spoofed 1000 pop on HS. Priceless Brain! I must say I find this funny. I do agree though, someone had to be the rebel at some point and shine a light on the shady pop tactics out there. GL Brain, I may just jump on HS randomly here and there to contribute to the cause. EDIT: Looks like it's gone now. Awww..

Okay, i've had enough of your crap now. Listen to me, you DUMB fuck. I didn't even want to post this here originally, the ONLY reason I did is because Rootbear bugged me into doing it. You keep blabbing like a 5 year old school girl, ranting and raving how im out to be a hero and martyr, ect ect. You just look like a vulture who has nothing to do than pick and pry and twist words and the meaning of my thread. This is now the third or 4th time you've come here and trolled me for no apparent reason whatsoever. Your replies aren't even that relevent to the topic at hand and all they are there to do is try to provoke me. I offered to help the community in what way I could, and people like you spit in my face. And fuck my reputation here, I could care less. If you don't want my help thats fine, but dont expect me to write a 5 page tutorial just for your stupid ass, your royal highness. Ever since I posted this 30-40% of the replies here badger and criticize me, and even though several people tell me NOT to decrypt the client, or only a specific part, your ignorant ass wants a tutorial on how to do it anyway. Your logic is warped, you're too blinded by your own arrogance to see it for yourself. You remind me of one of those the National Enquirer journalists, always so desperate to make your big story you'll twist the facts around and then add on some extra bullshit to make yourself seem more credible. You want a tutorial? Okay i'll give you one. On seperating FACT from personal opinions you fucking troll. Lets talk facts. Watch and LEARN something. FACT 1: I never posted this for any fame, or glory, or "hero" status. This all originates from you and some other guy I dont bother to remember making fairy tales about me. I was telling root about a project I was working on, and he wanted to know if I could break Continuum's encryption, I did. He then got over-excited about it and told me that I should post about it here, ect ect. Which I never really wanted to do and was reluctant in the first place, but he pushed me so I said whatever and did. PERSONAL OPINION 1: You are obviously out to get me for this because any attention this thread got probably took all those "cock sucking" people you know away from your 1 inch wonder for a brief moment and it obviously sparked your jealousy judging by the way you're trolling me in such bitterness. Suck on them sour grapes, you prick. FACT 2: I can break the encryption. You don't think the tools exist? A MODERATOR MIGHT WANT TO REMOVE LINK TO THIS RESOURCE SITE, BLAME THE INGORANT ONE FOR THIS PART: http://exetools.com PERSONAL OPINION 2: Anyone who's anyone knows the site. Go learn how to use those programs yourself. I'd never help pricks like you learn anything. FACT 3: Moderators can feel free to delete this whole topic, or at least delete all of my posts here. If I were out for any kind of fame that just blew your theory right out of the water. Please do delete this. Tired of seeing this guy bitch and moan literally every day. FACT 4: In all likelyhood being the whining troll that you are, and yes, you are a troll, fact. Everyone feel free to read the whole thread and compare his posts. Please note that im done giving you that negative energy you thrive on so badly. You will not succeed further in trying to shit on my day to attempt to make yours better. But before I stop there, i'll be finishing what I started in this post. Which leads me to my next fact. FACT 5: I made this thread to get permission to modify and RE the continuum client to add/change things for the better. I got a lot of comments "it's not a good idea." Or "not nessesary, people are already coding another one." or "WHAT ABOUT SECURITY" and "attention whore". Now, even if people changed thier minds, you can look elsewhere. My offer was genuine, I don't offer a second time. And since we're playing fairy tales and gypsy fortune teller... you're likely going to come back to troll and piss and moan some more. Sorry if I stole your precious attention, even though I was never out to get any. And keep your false kindergarten psychological profiling bullshit to yourself. You don't know me, nor what I think or do. Last time I checked I didn't sign your paycheck for a therapy session. Go to college, get a degree, then analyze someone. And just to pour some water on the BS flames, i'll REMOVE my post that started this big waste of time to reduce all the whining going on, sounds like a damn nursery in this thread.

@Those wanting to know how to break encryption, wouldn't that conflict with everyone asking me to not add to security breaches? If I tell you what tools would be useful(these ones do all the work for you almost) then I may as well give download links and say do this to other games too. No, I wouldn't use notepad unless I had to, more work than it's worth if there's tools to do all the heavy lifting for me. Honestly I didn't come here to argue with a bunch of people so im ending this part of my reply now. You can believe me or not, doesn't affect me in any way. @Those who are calling me an attention whore -- Rootbear is correct, he told me to post here to begin with. I didn't even want to initially. Im not here for any fame or glory, and could care less about your little "server politics". So you can keep your future title of the infamous Hero of SubSpace, i'm no out to stand in you way lmao. And i'll stick with whatever programming langauge I like, thank you. @Mike: You are correct, I didn't bother to check into new clients made until you brought that up. I haven't browsed the MGB forums, nor these ones in quite some time. I just went by what I saw from the official client. I guess I do stand corrected. Oh well, I simply offered to help in what way I could. I stated my case, made my points. I do recognize now that there are still a few people deving here working thier ass off for new things. Im not griping about them. My rant was mainly towards the official client and Priit's lazyness with Continuum. I did not think however, that the council supported or endorsed non-official clients. And for everyone else wanting to know why even bring up this topic, I think the Continuum/Subgame combo is the easiest and most user-friendly sandbox game development setup out there. With very little knowledge of anything, people can set up and start making thier very own game server. That's the appeal of this game in my eyes now. It may be just a small little zone to most, but I think it's nice to create something from basically the ground up depending on how many things you mod, and look back and say wow, I did that. I simply wanted to lift some limits on that and make it more fun all around. I can see now that the bar will be set higher eventually with new projects going on now. Hopefully Subspace2 will be done in year or less. Thanks flabby. And now im done with this thread, from what I gather, anything I can offer will be obsolete in a month or two anyway. Oops on my end. :S

Because I've had experience doing it. When you decrypt an exe it will look different than if it were opened in the source .cpp file for example. It's a lot more literal and easy to understand/modify. I know enough C++ to not have problems doing this. As for players being able to cheat due to no encryption... I suppose you could do what Priit probably did and use simple executable encryption. Keep a copy of the unecrypted client and make it accessable to only a few trusted devs here? Then you could make changes and then upload a re-encrypted copy. It would be about the same level of security as everyone is used to, so the general player wouldn't be able to exploit. EDIT: Again, i'd like to restate the fact that my intentions here were in no means supposed to be harmful. I see a lot of people are somewhat opposed to this idea with the only people with a open mind on this being a small minority. I guess I can't blame you for wanting to keep the game as hack-free as possible. And it seems that the SS Council does not even wish to repond to this. I guess thier take on this one is obvious. I will respect the wishes of the community here and drop the idea. I do not own continuum and have no right to take any matters into my own hands. Just a bummer that the sudden potential for new things will be lost. Back to other things I go, I'll check in on some things from time to time, the day Priit gets off his butt or a new client is made I'll have that itch to dev/play again. Hope everything goes well for you guys in 2010. And keep up the good work on projects like Mervbot, DCME, ASSS, and Discretion. XD

Well, after reading everyones replies, it would seem that a lot do not wish for a unencrypted client. I only offered this because I thought it would help those trying to make a new client themselves. Thats how a lot of games in the industry today were made, through reverse code engineering. People think to code a game from something else you need the source, they're misnformed. You can still get a basic idea of how it works with RCE, and you can even make small changes without even changing the filesize becauses it's at the byte level. So far I have one supporter, and about 2 others who think that 2 different client versions could be acceptable. I think it's a good idea and I say this about it... Why not have Priit's official version, and a community version? Why NOT let people decide which client they want players to use to connect to thier servers? Wouldn't it be a nice feature for ALL zone owners who could take they community version of the client and mod things in it like sounds, and graphics manually, so there's no need for players to download anything in game? Technically it's win/win for the zone owner and players. All they would have to do is upload said client to thier site for people to download. Anyways it's just a thought. I wont dare do it without the OK from council members though. Afterall, my intentions are only helpful and not malicious. As for ASSS and Discretion, I think they have a LOT of potential and are definately half way there in thier own rights on replacing Subgame and the Continuum client. But as far as me contributing to that code, that's going out of my field of expertise. I know only one programming laungaue, and that's very little C++. I screw around with it as a side hobby. My specialty is RCE and would be making direct modifications to the client itself without the source. I doubt that would help either projects much. I could obviously get better at C++ if that's what they are programming with. As for Priit re-encrypting the client, good. He really should. That encryption can be broken with simple tools now. It's rather old. What did he do, use executable encryption? Anyways even if he DID, and I couldn't break it down the road, we would still have the current client to work on from that point on if that's what the SS Council/Priit wanted. All in all it seems it's not going to happen from the general responses i've got thus far though.

World of Warcraft?

Haha, wasn't expecting one this late, hopefully within a day or two though.

And as always, I appreicate all views and feedback and value them equally, although I hope this thread generates more intrest than it has. And a response from a council member regarding this would be nice as my hands on the matter are literally tied until that happens. To take a fun quote from a movie: I don't like reaching into another man's refrigerator, without asking permission first. That code, legally copyrighted or not was painstakingly slaved over by Priit, and while I disagree with the way he's doing things, I have to respect the only official authority as to weither or not revealing part of it to the masses is okay, would be the Council itself. And I say Council because the odds of getting Priit to respond to this personally seems like winning the damn lottery. SS Council is probably the closest to an OK i'm gonna get.

I must say it's interesting to get a view on the other side of the coin. Perhaps you might be right. Leaving things be is certainly an option as well. I offer only to help those who want it. I won't do anything without the Council's permission of course. As of now I have 0% of that permission. I might just drop this whole thing if enough think it's a bad idea. If you really think releasing a decrypted client would be that harmful than helpful to the dev community then I guess I will have to take it seriously and think twice. I'd like more feedback on this matter though. I have to say this though, a few years back I was under the impression that the dev community had much more programming resources at it's disposal to make use of this. And now it would seem people are telling me theres a handful or less now to even do anything with fragments of the client code. Well, if this is the case it looks like I overrated the abilities here. For that, I am sorry. Anyways, that's not to say I don't think theres potential here either. As for peeing in the pool, you disrespect me like that again and i'll be ploping a fat Baby Ruth in your pool and clog your drain. Just kidding, lmao!

Would a unencrypted client uploaded to these forums assist in starting a new client from scratch? It'd give people something to work from, afterall thats what RCE is meant for. XD If you all think it'd be useful and the council gives me the OK, just ask. ^^ And Hakaku, I think that while Priits security measures may have been sufficient a few years ago, they are easily circumvented now thanks to so many new tools out there that can be abused by people who know what they're doing. Whats the point in sacrificing development for security if you don't even update your security features? I could go into TW right now if I wanted with WPE and a list of Proxy Servers and have some fun at any given time. Not that I would, thats a area of abuse I dare not cross. Hell, even MervBot can be abused easily. Considering most zone owners are in fact, not programmers, they leave thier servers wide open to unwanted bot guests. Zones like Mystic Kingdom had a bullseye on thier back. And if people can break the client encryption, who needs twister? You can just edit call functions for taking damage, ect(although fishing around for this specific area of code may take a bit to find lol). Encryption... guess Priit doesn't bother to update that either. :/ I guess my point is every new feature can be abused, might as well drop the closed source development because Priit will never take the time to update his security countermeasures enough with his busy schedule. At least hand the code out to a handful of coders and take a chance. :S Again, just my 2 cents.

Removed due to whining and complaining about this thread getting to much attention. Forget it.

Best gaming site in the Galaxy? It fits the theme, and is said in a light hearted way. Whether or not you choose to take it literally is up to you I guess. Anyways what makes us special is because we aren't some biased corporate run site. A whopping 6 reviews? Yeah well no one is exactly on a payroll when posting those, I post reviews when I have spare time. I haven't had any of that in a while now because I'm busy with my real life. As for 16 members, I'd say that's pretty good considering the lack of content in comparison to all of those top sites out there. And we have quality members, not spam bots and forum trolls. It comes down to this, would you rather read a review written by some biased writer on a corporate payroll who didn't even bother to play through the whole game, or get a decent review directly from a gamer who's really played the game and writes up something honest that's filled with useful details? Flame if you want, thats your right, but I really don't have to defend myself and have better stuff to do with my time. If you want a good review to read and we can get more writers and get those reviews coming in then feel free to check out the site. If you don't like, no need to visit. Go to IGN.com or something.

Oh god, lets not have another republican in office please. This country will implode if we do. Obama. Enough Said.

Not quite considering all that money will go to a charity.

@ Borg No sir, I haven't to be perfectly honest. @Samapico Sorry, I honestly wasn't sure where to post it. Edit: Thanks Cancer+. Some feedback would be nice though, what do you guys think of the site?

Im not quite sure what the rules on advertising are here, so I asked a few people and they told me to try and post this here. I put the advertisement tag up so people that dont want to see it dont have to. Anyways, I am working on a brand new website and am trying to add content for it and get the name out there more. While im struggling with adding all of the reviews, there's an upoming event being planned for Grand Theft Auto 4. I figured if some of you guys enjoy gaming on a larger scale and want to get involved with another gaming community on your spare time, then you guys might benefit from registering. The website url is http://galacticgamers.com I am also hiring staff to help add content like downloads, videos, and reviews if you're interested.

Yikes! Posted that on my seperate account. Well that account is for one of my future projects. Anyways... (topic)

Thanks a bunch, Lynx!

By retro I mean more cell shaded, like my shipset. Anime-like if you will. But i'm looking for something space themed, with metalic structured tiles. Something that would be good for a base or two, and then some floor tiles for the bases. As for the actual map, i'd like to go over some ideas with whoever wants to take on the task.

This is a Dead Rising spoof, by Mega64, and I thought i'd share it for a good laugh. You can view it here:

Tilesets and maps are definatley not my strong point, not when im working from scratch. So I am looking for someone who is willing to spend a bit of time on a new Map and Tileset. I'm trying to keep the theme kind of retro, but right now i'd almost accept anything. The position awarded for this task is Sysop. I don't accept any stolen zone material, has to be new and something for this zone only. If you are interested you can contact me via this thread, PM, or MSN Mesenger. Thanks in advance!

I happen to like 0:13.5 - 0:40.5 better.

Thanks Hakaku, I didn't think to even change the format to .gif but I think i'll use the first one. Really cool of you to make 2 and go out of your way like that though. Now I gotta hope I can figure out why ships 5 and 7 want to be so stubborn! Update: Well, it's taking forever but I am fixing 5 and 7 lol. Anyways I think that'll do folks, filesize is under 700kb which will have to do, certainly better than what it was, and thanks again guys. Moderators feel free to lock this topic now.

Well cReEmY managed to compress 2 ships(5 and 7), but im also left with over a MB. And im having problems with ships 5 and 7 still, I fill certain areas on the ships with black pixels, shade 12 like all the others, but in-game they appear blank and they look like they got eaten by a cheese grater. Is it possible for someone to fix this? MS Paint gives me problems yet again. fillerup.rar