Hopefully you don't mind a newcomer's opinoin (newcomer to this forum that is)... I used to be hopelessly addicted to subspace/contiuum.. and could hold my own. Then I took a break from the game for a bit - i believe it was in between one computer dying and a new one arriving. Then when I looked up the game again and went in for a few rounds, I was definitely more rusty and the people were outright rude. I don't mean just taunting rude - I can take that - but maybe crude is a better way to put it. Now many years later, I still have a bug for this game deep down or I wouldn't have once again done a search for it and installed it. However... now when I fire up the default install, all zones are dead, zero players, it won't download any updated lists so at a first glance, i would assume this game is completely dead in the water. I honestly don't know if i'm supposed to dig up some new zone list to plug in, or if i'm hitting at an off-peak time or what the deal is... but for anyone new checking out this game, I imagine it's too much effort for a society in which we are so much geared toward instant gratification. If anyone wants to help an old-timer on how to reconnect with the game, or wants to get a friendly game together, I for one am in. Hoping I don't get flamed for this post (but it seems like a pretty friendly place around here, so i'm optimistic) Aperio