First off I would like to explain what the autocloak program really is. Run in full screen with 16 bit color, the program scans through the cloak icon and depending on the color a key simulation will either trigger the home key or not trigger the home key. According to past precedence... from http://forums.sscentral.com/index.php?showtopic=14550 "The only bots able to enter hyperspace are chatnet based bots, which can't leave spec." Dr Brain "It wasn't a bot. He was using a program that simulated keystrokes. There was no way for him to cheat with it." Dr Brain "I talked to him about it, used pixel color detection from the radar" D1st0rt and the bottom line... "He didn't modify the client at all, so no, it's not cheating." Dr Brain "My original answer was "yes"." Dr Brain The case which Masaru was presenting was that "Masaru> Gives an unfair advantage through a 3rd party program" Therefore my first question, although mostly answered my jrmod Masaru and dev Quigybobo, is Autocloak officially illegal? (I have the source code however I cannot release it unless I have permission from Spaceman7) Back to the main points of this topic: Recently around 4 pm EST got bounty? was banned by Quigybobo for using an autocloak program. Base upon past precedence listed above including past use of bak bot and the autocloak program itself by other users, we !@#$%^&*umed that the autocloak program was in fact legal. However upon use, got bounty? was banned without warning for 1 week by the non-mod Quigybobo for using a third party hacking utility. Afterwards concerned members of the hyperspace community posed a question to Quigybobo and the mods online. The first point I have on the current situation is that Quigybobo is not a moderator or at least not listed in ?listmod. Shouldn't developers with power leave the moderation to the hyperspace moderation staff as listed in ?listmod?. The second point is that based upon past precedence including use of the autocloak program. Shouldn't it be inappropriate to ban prior to issuing a warning? The third point is the legality of banning for no reason. During the course of our discussion, "Quigybobo> YOur pissing me off, keep it up and I'll ban you for no reason". I'm interested in the rational in allowing developers such a right. Later in our discussion, "Quigybobo> I rarly read the forum; Quigybobo> ask brain; Quigybobo> thats not an issue for me" If a moderator is ignorant to the situation, is it appropriate for him/her (him only for d1st0rts sake) to ban a user. Hazy rules and misunderstandings lead to shoddy decisions and angry everyone. "Quigybobo> I can ban you without reason; Quigybobo> want me to; Quigybobo> i just did; ipwn> and you're banning me for no reason as a mod?; Quigybobo> i'm not a mod" "Quigybobo> your going on the list noob as the dumbest perosn in hs ipwn" rofl i'm fine with this one a lasting memorial to this incident A couple slightly unrelated points I would like to make: Staff should know the rules of the zone and have a uniform understanding. ipwn> lol what about bak bot? Masaru> You see bak bot anywhere? ipwn> did he get banned? Masaru> no, but he's not going to be running it as far as I know Then later on Masaru> I believe clearance for any type of botting is for bak- and a select few others Not to pick on masaru specifically however, shouldn't moderator understand the rules and special exceptions prior to banning for something questionable. Overall, this zone needs a redefinition of rules. In addition, the moderation staff and those with powers should be more carefully watched/trained. I have a complete log of the following events if you wish to see it I will be happy to oblige. Thank you for your time reading this and sorry for any inconvenience caused.