MetalHeadz

hahaha carat, I had no idea you idolised me so much. how pathetic can you get? - delete edit: http://www.extreme-games.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=25960

Matter always existed eh? Well, your a better informed man than I. The word 'always' is a little irrational - indeed there is a whole scientific debate about this. Don't degrade someones opinion and then back yours' up with inaccurate and unproven statements.

Way to demean a serious topic! Lols, no, I agree with Ducky in many respects - how on earth could you regulate it. It is often patients with mental illness of serious disabilities who would supposedly want this treatment, and there in lies the problem - how do you know that's what they want? I suppose you could enforce a system where by the patient could only agree to !@#$%^&*isted suicide in 'sound mind'. But there was a instant a few months back (in the UK) where a women with a terminal illness signed a contract, similar to one expressed above, then miraculously survived and then completely regretted signing the contract and deemed it 'utterly unwise'. In principal/ethically, it's fine, it's acceptable (in my opinion) - but the technical and administrative problems facing it render it unsafe.

Well you suggested that the situation they were in meant they needed to adapt there behaviour - through technique, through intelligence - rather than a genetical mutation through chance and luck. I suppose you can incoporate natural selection to this - the strongest siblings survived because they were more intelligent/stronger, but certainly not evolution.

I honestly believe that Intelligent Design is just a way of 'conveniently' avoiding the !@#$%^&*ing and scientific evidence of Evolution, as Sever has noted above. In my opinion the debate about the origin of man should have ended 100 years ago. However, there are certain holes or 'gaps' in science where by religion or spirituality can co-exist with science. An example I like to use is, how did anything ever get here? On the hand there is this need for fundamentalists (deludedly so) to pay ultimate and complete belief to their religion. And the fact is religion was forged in times of social unrest - to 'control' the masses and to implement some kind of ultimatum to life. For example a principal shared in most religions is that if you're bad in life you go to '!@#$%^&*' or re-encarnate as a gr!@#$%^&* hopper. There is genuiene and scientific grounds for spirituality, but the ignorance of religion completely undermines this. Indeed it is ironic that the very principals of religion are the ones holding it's philosophical essence back. -Metal Headz (24/12/05) Btw I read a post on the other page that said evolution was a 'choice of individual' - evolution is a process of genetics, to think an animal has any concious decision over there genetic formation is absurd. And Ducky - you we're confusing 'adaptation' and 'evolution' - evolution is the mutation of a DNA that betters the animals chances of survival therefore outliving it's species. Adaptation is something you described - learning behaviour to survive.