Or there are people like me of the same age (24), that are hanging on... But life at our age is completely different in retrospect to what we could and were able to do even a few years ago. We have jobs, social responsibilities, wives, gf's, college/university etc etc... For the few that still try to help out, it's become hard for those individuals to shoulder all the weight for so long. It's hard even now to find willing people to help with development even when you offer to help up skill them. Or there are those that are trying to help and go about it the wrong way and tread on toes and ego's which kill their chances with those people... I have not been working on TW's websites for long... 4years maybe? And I'll admit that there are more skilled people than me. Im lucky that a few of them are still around helping me with them! Flabby, Ardour, Arobas+ (who are currently still around). But already I'm getting worn down. It doesn't help when the general pop also can't comprehend what goes into what you do for them and shit all over your efforts. And for the most part that's not their fault that they don't understand something they can't/wont/don't do... But a web page is just images and text right? That's ez... why is it taking so long? I think that also adds to the reasons why people don't "step up" when they notice how efforts go to waste on people... And why some of our greatest innovators move on to a degree also...