anyone here read Ayn Rand's "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal"? she says the economy should be like the US's seperation of church and state... She uses the An!@#$%^&*rust laws as an example. An!@#$%^&*rust laws were made when railroad companies got to big. They gpt to big because the government gave them subsidies and encourages their growth. Under the anti-trust laws: If you charge to high, you can be charged: "coercive monopoly" If you charge at the average price of others: "conspiracy, collusion" If you charge too low: "unfair compe!@#$%^&*ion." She justifies countless innovations that could have been but weren't, because of the businessman's fear of being prosecuted. She also indicts the state itself as the reason war's around (if asked i will type out her warrants as to why the state even functionally NEEDS war to work) and how it will inevitably lead to downfall. Below is a debate a fellow and i had on the subject. letter one. 1:NitroDart> surely living in the fertile land of USA beats the sands and AIDS ridden Ghana life ..you said earlier that you wouldnt want your children to work the farm. Well, how do you think these lands got so fertile? we FARMED them! With the government gone and companies in, we can develop ways to turn that soil into production.... The sand could be used for silicon, which would power cheap computers..Ghana would become a computer manufacturing Capital, and have alllll the money it needed for food. With no government, the money goes straight to the people. Statism justifies alot of things. World War 2...war over land. War to keep the Governments at bay. You cant have a dictator without something to dictate..eh? In 20 years, the USA will run out of seafood if it continues to pollute the way it does (ill get you the actual evidence if you need it...its in Debate class ats chool). But...under Anarcho-Capitalism, the people will have a direct profit motive to keep the country clean. since the people would own the land, they keep it clean. You can pollute..but not in my ocean. his response ..you said earlier that you wouldnt want your children to work the farm. I think you took that out of context....first, the fertile land of the USA means all the resources we have...trees, farming, healthy supply of vegetation. You just don't get that in Ghana or most of Africa. And kids in America can't even begin to work until they are 14-15 yrs old. Well, how do you think these lands got so fertile? we FARMED them! With the government gone and companies in, we can develop ways to turn that soil into production.... Land doesn't become fertile overnight....it takes decades, maybe centuries....you could work your whole life and not see the very lands you pull your crop from ever become fertile.....then take a setback 4-5 times from extreme drought. The sand could be used for silicon, which would power cheap computers..Ghana would become a computer manufacturing Capital, and have alllll the money it needed for food. With no government, the money goes straight to the people. You think that the people of Ghana have the educational resources to produce chips?! They can barely read and write. It's still THEIR country...you can't just go in and expect to take over. You will surely get dead. Statism justifies alot of things. World War 2...war over land. War to keep the Governments at bay. You cant have a dictator without something to dictate..eh? Where are you going with that? In 20 years, the USA will run out of seafood if it continues to pollute the way it does (ill get you the actual evidence if you need it...its in Debate class ats chool). But...under Anarcho-Capitalism, the people will have a direct profit motive to keep the country clean. since the people would own the land, they keep it clean. You can pollute..but not in my ocean. Ha....consider this....what if Microsoft owned those oceans. They could charge any price they want, they could cater only to the super rich, and more than half the country would die from starvation. Corporations are NOT the solution....they are simply a peice of the puzzle, but someone (the State) will have to maintain that sense of weights and balances. And yes, if our oceans become that bad, you can bet for sure that the US Government will pay many firms to start cleaning them up. Careful how you spread the wealth. my response... I think you took that out of context....first, the fertile land of the USA means all the resources we have...trees, farming, healthy supply of vegetation. You just don't get that in Ghana or most of Africa. And kids in America can't even begin to work until they are 14-15 yrs old. Exactly. Allow direct corporate intervention and they can make the land fertile. It's been done before. And besides, refer to the computer chip argument, ill get down to that in a few seconds..they could just buy their food Land doesn't become fertile overnight....it takes decades, maybe centuries....you could work your whole life and not see the very lands you pull your crop from ever become fertile.....then take a setback 4-5 times from extreme drought. Thats a Statist view..."your...you...". It might take my whole life, but overall it will be for the good of the community. You think that the people of Ghana have the educational resources to produce chips?! They can barely read and write. It's still THEIR country...you can't just go in and expect to take over. You will surely get dead. Statism. We dont "go in", "take over". We're against heirarchy, remember WE provide the machines and brain for the production -- we hire them so gather the sand, run the machines, after years of working, the Ghanians (that how you say that?) will be experienced enough to run the machines, even form their own businesses. Where are you going with that? I'm saying, you've yet to really implicate the idea of anarcho-capitalism...and here I am, tying in the idea of Statism with war, ruin, and more. Ill get to this on the bottom. Ha....consider this....what if Microsoft owned those oceans. They could charge any price they want, they could cater only to the super rich, and more than half the country would die from starvation. Corporations are NOT the solution....they are simply a peice of the puzzle, but someone (the State) will have to maintain that sense of weights and balances. And yes, if our oceans become that bad, you can bet for sure that the US Government will pay many firms to start cleaning them up. Careful how you spread the wealth. With no government to regulate, lets just say certain companies would find it "unworthy" to try to become dominating. Because domination leads to Heirarchy, a self-fufilling Statist prophecy. The USGov makes smallish treaties and worthless plans, but in the end it wont matter, the environment will be destroyed. Pweople will want to live in Ghana _____ I dont advocate full-blown anarcho-capitalism, it was just for the purposes of that debate. But what are your thoughts on a pure l!@#$%^&*aiz-fiere economy? Personally, i think depressions would end...recessions, sure, but depressions are all empirically government-created, however inadverdant it may seem. They should totally become hands-off. Education could be privatized as well--the standard of living would skyrocket. Teachers would only get good pay if they taught well. And "dishonest" busniesses? Well, without government regulations to dilude progress and inhibit prosecution, these dirty businesses with their bad reputations will go out of business flat out. No government aid. And almost all sources of this bad practies were government-related: a guy gets a money grant for a new business, spends all the money and tricks his customers.
