1) Pulltrip i am no where near denouncing my faith.  Im some spots of my argument I am starting from "ground zero" !@#$%^&*uming parts of our faith are wrong, and then working up towards proving them FOR THE SAKE OF THE ARGUMENT.  If these people don't believe our faith, im trying to work an argument in a way that does not use our faith as the explanation.   2) just stop posting, my two posts on the previous page were completely lost once you began posting again, most these people aren't listening to you, if anything your detracting from my and aileron's arguments, which are arguing the same thing as you, but more effectively.  Don't ruin it.   1) In no way was i talking to you when i said that thunder, i was responding to   That comment is asking me to give up some of my beliefs to come down to everyones level, thats what i meant by "denounce" my faith. Sorry for the misunderstanding, i find your posts very interesting and think its amazing how you are defending the word of God in a very logical way for everyone to understand. Forgive me for not being clear on that.   2) No, sorry i won't stop posting, thats not very fair,