Zakalwe!

im sorry but after running and mining for the 5th time, dont u think u would be bored that that is the only way of killing soneome...

O another thing i happened to vote yes twice in the pub vote, but this shipset is by no means even close to being what it should be, getting there but not right at all.

I think i like all the ships barring terrier. Problems - wb is so much fun to use and has everything Now this isnt a problem really, but it is when everyone uses it. Now everyone in wbs and lancasters therefore X ships arent going to be used. Im hardly seeing anyone in X ships, i see mostly wbs a few javs quite a lot of lancs and levis. Terrier isnt being used very much at all. Its slow, cant deal damage fast, its not even a precise ship, it doesnt take skill to use. Its just a boring outgunned ship. It doesnt have anything going for it. There isnt anything u can work on. Ok you say it has 2000 energy and lasts ages and can mine rep. a) with 2000 energy it just prolongs the terriers butchering. with me and madgaz attaching to each other in base with 3 reps each, we managed to stay alive for ages. We hardly killed anything but people couldnt get rid of us. It was boring for us and boring for them c) you hardly ever mine rep anyone people arent that stupid. d) in centre the terrier lays mines and then floats around getting shot at...boring e) with 4 warbirds a team, the mines get repped instantly taking terrier down to no energy, and then it gets thorred... I could go on but i wont. I will just say this. We have a reasonably intelligent zone imo, but this ship is beyond intelligence, i have tried and so have others, but i still dont see it being used. I know some people like it, and im going to give it another go tonight, a really determined effort, to see if there is something that it can do. Now i dont want the wb changed, but i think the other ships have got to be made more fun, and if sets stay like this X ships will have to be upgraded.

Well that was fairly hilarious, love the thought uve put into your pic sever, never thought ud look like that, but on 17th i only judge people by what they type, and how they fight. Anyhow keep up the good work you two !!! DINALINGALING ROUUNNNNNDDDDD!!!!!!!!! 2!!!!!! Until Mmav deletes this, for making people wet themselves. O and a constructive comment, id like to try jokers map on a friday sometime.

marauder, Joker had a valid point, his map is based around the old pub normal map, so saying that it 'Doesnt feel like 17th' is a stupid comment and i feel he had a right to say it. On top of that he said it moderately gently...i wouldnt have.

A vote should be done on what map people want to have maybe - Telpub Jokermap North South Map Normal/Old East West Newpub3? and based on the results, maybe use that map for a week, then have a vote saying keep or not?

I think adding stylez's levi to Vile's sets would work out, i much prefer the guns on it and the drain, levi is meant to get in a base and hold it, not be a mobile turret in centre, murdering everyone. Also the spider rear gun on Stylez's is cool, a bit like swr sets, i loved rear guns from swr. So maybe give spider forward firing on non multi, and forward and rear firing on multifire. Also spider starts with 900, but can green to 1200. Which shouldnt take long with team greening. Maybe a marriage of sets like this might work. Vile's Wb with Stylez'z Levi and spider rear guns. Also keep Vile's weasel.

!@#$%^&*o, i havent tried your map yet, but i will tonight and your ships, erm until then i wont really comment, but a question. If you like your Joker name so much why use Stylez? which is a cool name imo.

I think the warbird is fantastic, and i completely forgive Vile the state terrier is in. Because the warbird is a work of art, there is only 1 tiny thing, maybe throw in a few more burst bullets, but this isnt important, i think wb getting thrusters is fantastic, but this should definately not become shipset wide. Take a peak at my topic post. Also weasel is good fun, i dont know what the balance is like, but a fool who dies to that mine derserves to die.

This is going to be quite lengthy, but i hope is a fairly honest opinion, and ill try not to be biased. I think its safe to say the zone needs change, and i think that there is alot of things that can be done, or at least tried. These are the things that i think will improve/revolutionise the zone. First shipset - Warbird - beautifully crafted, full marks Vile, base sets around this. Javelin - nothing changed still deals the damage, its good. Spider - ive got plans for this below, but no change from this. Levi - love the rocket and portal, almost makes levi fun Terrier - 50:50 its like an opposite to its older brother, defenderish. Weasel - i think the zone needs fun and funkyness, love it. tad lame Lancaster - seems a tad weak, but i havent tried it. Shark - does seem weak, but havent tried. Ive been having a few ideas and some other zone had credits, i was wondering if (for example) 10 credits could be awarded for a goal, and 1 point awarded for a kill. Then using credits to buy upgrades on each ship. This is based on say a max of 2000 kills per scorereset. Veteran - (Just for example) Warbird (50 credits) - free X radar Javelin (50 credits) - ability to pick up 1 portal. Spider (50 credits) - upgrade to 1400 energy? Levi (50 creds) - double top speed, v expenive draining X radar. Terr (50 creds) - ability to hold 2 turrets with no loss of speed. Weasel (50 creds) - ability to stealth?? Lancaster (50 creds) - ability to pick up 1 portal maybe? ask the lancs Shark (50 creds) - free stealth. Elite - again just for example maybe 1000 creds - needs working out Warbird (500 creds/1000?) - max energy 2000 + veteran ability. Javelin (500 creds) - purple bullets + veteran Spider (500 creds) - blue bullets + veteran Levi (500 creds) - purple bombs + veteran ( now that would be fun ) Terrier (500 creds) - ablilty to hold 4 turrets Weasel (500 creds) - gonna love me - ship propelled 1 hit bomb. Lancaster (500 creds) - dont know at all 2000 energy? Shark (500 creds) - EMP Yellow bombs Rapidfire hehe. If a player buys elite it should announce it to pub - Zakalwe! is now Elite in Blight Aerospace Nu-34 Terrier etc Now wait a second these arent permanent - if you die you lose them. Dont forget that - surely a terrier with 4 purple bomb levis on it is worth a screenshot though? Map - i dont think this map works. I think bases need some more space, so people dont just feel tunnels with bombs. I dont care NS/EW i just want fun bases. Other Ideas - Shark - I think brick time should be reduced, brickwarping can be done, but a couple of sharks can stop a team attacking too easily. I think shark should get its old thor back - weasel doesnt thor anymore. Major Idea here - make 17th 3 teams. I know historically this is rubbish, but who cares about history. I care about gameplay. I think 3 teams, would open up a whole new dimension to 17th. Also if we get 17th fun again, we have to start asking people to come and see it in its new light. To comment on this please use a simple system, so its easy to understand. Eg (Current Shipset) - like but (comment) (Map) - dont like think (comment) (Veteran/Eite) like this ( but i think) (Idea for shark) not keen at all/like etc. But please keep it constructive. I stayed up a night thinking about these things. So dont let my sleepless nights go to waste lol. TY for reading. - Zaka

Incomplete - no All i thought was that the old settings were balanced apart from the weasel. Why dont we try the normal settings with this new weasel. O can we try having multiple frequencies one time, can we put a week aside for it, 3/4 teams of 5v5v5v5 would be good fun. Hard but fun. Portals would become from useful, like swr super shark bursts? Anyhow...not now but later.

The general consensus seems that that the map is 50:50 i for one am not really bothered because i havent tried bases out much, i dont care if its north/south // east/west as long as its good My main problem is this new terrier - i have tried it out against every new ship, 1 on 1 with the same person Warbird - lost easily Jav - managed to draw Spider - uncloaked and lost 3 times to it lol Levi - charging to kill 50:50 chance Terrier - fought for 10 minutes, neither of us died, shows u what a defensive lamer ship this is....a fluke to kill...lol pitiful Weasel - mines kill it, cant hit weasel with bomb too slow, guns dont kill it. Lancaster - lost to it 3,1 but id say 50:50 Shark - cloaked, not a chance, uncloaked terrier wins. proposed course of action - bring back old terrier, faster bombs might make it balance out, give it 1500 energy, weasel should be killed by terriers, balancing weasel. People dont like the terrier becos its got loads of energy, and goes around laming people - i agree its a fluke to kill, its boring, slow, and defensive. Bring back normal terrier and keep rest of ships, then see how things work out. Map not bothered.

Live Life to the fullest MMav, you always listened and helped me Thanks for that, the annoying terrier - Zaka

I hope to have a moderate view of both sides, being firstly a pub terrier, but also sceondly being a javelin dueller/rumbler. Personally I have no problem with rumble bot, its good during quiet hours, for 4 people to have a little game. It shouldnt be removed. Also people cant play pub forever, most of the time pub has a moderate number of players. The trenchwars suggestion is stupid.....what are people gonna do play trench wars or a trench wars copy. get real, i came to this zone cos i enjoyed the ships, i enjoy the speed of the fighting, and i enjoy the difficulty of the zone. 17th is hard....that is why people want to play tw cos its easy....i personally enjoy a challenge. I would like more big events to be hosted, like -*BAD WORD*- and MS2 why dont we have a timetable? For instance Monday - 10pm-11pm could be 2 events hosted. Same for each day, timetabled events. Maybe Speedball and sblball one day. Dodgeball and something else another. But if people dont turn up, then event should be cancel. Say if 10pm speedball is advertised. But only 7 people turn up, and it has minimum of 10 required, then cancel it and let them go back to pub... Dont ask me for the timetable, someone else can do that. Rumble Bot should be kept, cos even rumble people would turn up for events.

hey Tavid i remember u from swr from the old server, but i havent seen u in a long while, i used to be terrier/spider now im terrier in 17th, hope ta cya around, ill take it easy on ya, and try and rep save ya and stuff gl -Zaka

what do u mean the other things arent that good. and what the -*BAD WORD*- do u mean green everything! you fly around without specials most of the time, and most likely u will get most of them teamgreened in the first few seconds, this isnt a big deal, stop making a mountain out of a mole hill -Zaka

K see what people are saying, i think people are focusing on terrier 2 much atm though, what im suggesting is people have an option, they can go into a fight ill equiped or they can spend a few seconds arming and then attach, its not just terrier its everything. k atm terrier has alot of newbs repping bursting, but this will not only effect terriers, im suggesting these greening idea for all ships, spiders wont be able to go burst crazy, terriers cant go repel crazy, sharks cant go brick crazy, warbirds cant go rep + burst crazy, its not only terrier reps, warbirds attach loads with reps 2. Terriers are going through a newb phase like every ship, it comes and goes try and see past this and at the bigger issue. Also i dont want to have to green thrusters, recharge, and all the rest of it, i want the ships to remain standard, but people to have a choice as to either getting back into the fight ill prepared, or getting combat ready. Giving people a choice. Everyship has a choice, this isnt about beating the terrier or anyship up. O a btw reload as far as i can see the staff have looked at my idea, and are setting a trial arena up, so they are doing something.

Well - many ideas have been put about having promotions for ships, or steady upgrades, or something of the sort. But i thought using what we already have we could make the zone interesting, but not with changing any of the essentials. Be open-minded its not a big change. k here goes I would like to try removing all of the greenables off everything ship, apart from ones that have 2 of things. Now wait let me explain. Warbird - would start with nothing. But can green - burst,rep,thor,decoy. Javelin - start with nothing but can green decoy, and possibly something else - but im not going to suggest anything. Spider - starts with 1 burst + 1 portal, but can green another 1/2 ( i cant remember what max burst is), can green another portal, decoy. Levi - gets one thor, can green another. Terrier - 1 rep, can green another rep,burst,decoy. Weasel - starts with 1 portal, can green decoy + thor. Lancaster - 1 decoy, can green another 2 decoys. Shark - 1 brick, but can green another one to create 'Exit Trap', and can green decoy. I would also like to bring back greenable bricks for everyship, but make them v,v, rare. I dont want loads of bricks just, a bit of fun. I just wanted to bounce this off the wall. Cos i think it can create a more stable base fighting enviroment, would stop excessive repping, bursting, etc. i was wondering if we could try it for a week, if u like the idea. terrier with only 1 rep come on javs u gotta love me for this.

Hey tempest, hope university life is good, im glad uve decided to quit at uni, plenty of other things to be interested in there. Whatever, and wherever ur studying good luck. Ill miss you in 17th, even though or friendship was a rather an agressive one, but that was because we understood each other. Muhahaha NOW NO ONE CAN STOP ME ON MY VERGE OF TRIUMPH, but maybe its wont be as much fun. Pop in sometime to say -*BAD WORD*-o, just make sure in spec, looking at a1 - its easy to start again. Best of luck man, may ur life be a happy one with many beers