ok first off rish, thats not what you did and second off i dont exactly like being quoted and i had hoped delic didnt pm me to quote me... personally, i like mav quite a bit and would rather not bring stuff his way and get myself pulled into more crap... on the second half, i dont like being mean to anyone and i try my best not to, i told rish to shut up because he kept telling me to let him host from as soon as he got in the channel while calling me a noob... it was easier for me to wait for the bot than to tab out and set the two macros i needed to set... once the bot came back up, it was setup differently thus wouldnt run the bot i was trying to run and then rish went crazy on me so i just decided im not taking this and left and so he just said something like gg newb dont host anything anymore... as for delic, i have nothing against delic, and have never disliked him; though, from what i know delic seemed to hate me earlier and him kindly pming me seemed like a good gesture so that i could seriously talk to him, but if his means of talking to me is to get revenge on mav then i dont know what to say or think about delic... if he talked to me as a good guy then sure i meant what i said, if he meant to talk to me to gain revenge then no...   im not here to cause problems, never was or planned to, i only came to try to help out 17th, not destroy it... infact i never even planned to release names because i knew there was going to be trouble if i did... and rish, i agree respect is gained but there is a fine line there... u are technically my coworker and even if i dont get along with u i will respect that, i dont plan to go in front of u to piss you off or anything, as general respect... even if u cant respect me i think its fair to say thats cool cuz i dont deserve it, but as a coworker and politeness its not ur job to go out of the way to try and take me down...