Dr.Worthless

Well, my belief is of vicarious imperialism.. "neocolonialism" if you will, cocacolonization sounds even better =). Whats going on right now is the nature of capitalism, globalized economy is not a question of if, but of when. Its a curious situation, yes.. and I cannot deny that the US had some part in putting all these people in power, there surely is a reasoning behind it, one that I havent studied about and am not aware of, but I can say confidently it wasn't so they could kill, steal, rape, etc, from their own people. Well, As ive stated before the true reason for the war going on currently is many fold, but saying Hussein wasnt a threat to the US is being naive. I truely believe that at very least he was funding terrorists. It is no secret that Saddam has never liked the western powers, -*BAD WORD*- its no secret that that whole area of the world doesnt like the western powers. To think that terrorism isnt a widespread ideology that is a response to the growing power of the western hemisphere is being naive. No, I don't have absolute proof that saddam was a direct threat to the United States, but you would be hard pressed to make the arguement that the World and the United States isn't safer with Saddam Hussein out of the picture. (Here I could go into how its inevitable that the peace loving countries and citizens of the world are eventually going to have to fight a unified war against terrorism, but Not only do I think it would fall on deaf ears, but it would be one -*BAD WORD*- of a read, and im lazy.) !@#$%^&*uming the supply and demand model hold true, I won't go into hypothetical monopolies on oil supplies. Currently the United States is dumping big cash into hydrogen cell research, hopefully soon we'll cut our oil dependance. Ditto on the UN bit.. though it has alot of other problems also. ^^ In the above post when you read century, please read "decade".. or whatever the -*BAD WORD*- you call a 10 year span . Worthless

My quote was in reference to an apparent opposition to large standing armies and non-military peaceful negotiations. Adolf Hitler basically raised the bar high enough to where we can never go back to minimal standing armies being the status quo (like I said previously). Again, as I said previously, Terrorists have risen the bar even higher. HuH? My comment was in reference to your comment of handling saddam through UN means, which we have been trying to do ever since the first gulf war. I'm not really sure what you're talking about here so I wont respond. If I get bored i'll dig up a source for you, the weapons in question werent anything to astronomical. When forces took over the Saddam Internation Airport troops found crates of anti-aircraft missles and other weapons marked with french/russian seals. It was on the news for a day or so, then swept under the rug. This was in response to your arguement of "Saddam and Iraq was a member of the UN so the United States should have abided by the UN's rules of engagement". The point attempting to be made is why should we respect any authority the UN has, since they've turned a blind eye and harbored a known tyrant for near a century, without doing anything signifigant about it. If I have to explain this in detail to you, I will. Hanz and his team of UN inspectors had been in Iraq since after the first Gulf War back in 93. Part of the reason the US administration had run out of patience with the UN is due to 10 years of their inspectors being denied access to certain places, bullied around, only allowed to inspect areas if Saddam personally allowed it, -*BAD WORD*- like that. Here's a sample. "Saddam.. we're going to inspect your palace for illegal weapons, is that ok?" "Yeah sure.. you can inspect it in 3 days.. i'll expect you then" See a problem with the picture? And notice I didnt say "The worst dictator in history" I said "The worst dictator on the face of the planet"... Read whats on the screen, think on it, then reply.. dont jump the gun. No flat out accusations, simply saying I dont know you in real life =) (yeah.. a cheap shot, sue me.) While I won't say that oil didnt atleast have *alittle* to do with it, I will stand by the fact that if we were truely there for no other reason except oil.. we would have started shipping that stuff over here from day 1. We've been there for a year, if we were there for no other reason we'd have every pump going at 100% and be shipping tanker after tanker full of the stuff back to the US. The last line is interesting, lets go through some logic. If the worlds opinion is we're doing this for oil, would they be any more angry if we actually were shipping oil over to us by the barrel?? Since the world opinion is already angry at us with the blood = oil business, they must already be convinced that we are. So you're saying "Man we're already pissed at you for doing this.. but when you REALLY do it.. we'll be even more pissed!!" We all suffer from constructed realities. Since you seem to know so much about it, please enlighten me. To be honest I've lost all respect for the UN. Any engagement that it partakes in is composed primarly of American troops. -*BAD WORD*-, an American funds the organization so it can stay in business, ever heard of Ted Turner?(slight exageration, but true none the less) Sorry, the UN is a dieing dream. As far as the World War comment, Europe will never engage in another large scale war like WWII. Europe was so devistated that it is still recovering from it. The next largescale engagements we'll see will either be the US and allies V Muslim countries, or US + Allies against Russia/China/Korea. Mark my words =) Worthless.

Hold on to your horses, this is going to be a long!@#$%^&* post. Such is the demons of capitalism. Capitalism is a wonderful system for gaining wealth, unfortunatly it is not an ideal system for the everyday jo. On the other end of the spectrum (the one you're hinting at, I believe) Socialism is wonderful for the everyday jo, it sucks at building wealth. Governments need wealth to run, happy citizens is just a secondary =). Russia had a noble experiment going, unfortunatly they found out the hard way that Socialism just doesn't provide the $$ needed to fuel a government. Just like France and England had no enemies back in 1935? Come now, you know Adolf Hitler raised the stakes so high, way back when, that we can never go back to the times when a minimal standing army can be the status quo. The recent terrorist attacks all over the world has raised the stakes even higher. At one time I was adamantly against the idea that I was a citizen of an imperialistic nation, and I would have argued tooth and nail with you about such. After consideration, I would be naive to think that the current situation the US finds itself in hasn't been even the slightest bit enfluenced by Iraq's bountiful oil supplies. While I will argue with you if you try to say it is the *only* reason we went to war, but I can find middle-ground. Can I say that i'm appauled and angry that this is happening? No.. Bottom line is oil = power. I like sitting here typing on my computer, in the air-conditioning, watching television. The power of my nation is what allows me to do this. So if oil = power = sustained level of living, then -*BAD WORD*- yes I'm all for it. I wont comment on anything except, Do you honestly think Saddam Huessein would have gave a flying F*ck about "legal ways"? Sorry, Don't think so. Rather we should supply a tyranical dictator weapons, and become buddy buddy with him to ensure a steady flow of Money and/or Oil, yeah.. ok. (<---- incase you dont get it, I'm talking about France/Russia/ and others European nations) OOOH this is a good one. So you're trying to tell me that an organization that HARBORS A KNOWN TYRANT THAT RAPES AND MURDERS HUNDRES OF THOUSANDS OF HIS OWN PEOPLE, and doesn't do jack -*BAD WORD*- about it should be given an ounce of respect? So the United States violated the "We wont attack other members of the UN " clause because we removed the worst dictator on the face of the planet, roflmfao. Keeping Saddam in power and turning a blind eye would be equivallant to justifing and condoning his actions. No moral human being would do such, but I dont exactly know you in real life, so who knows (And no, dont go off in a THE US DID IT FOR OIL, tangent. If the one and only reason we went into Iraq was for oil, then we would have already had it. We would have already rebuilt the broke -*BAD WORD*- pumps, and would have been hauling that -*BAD WORD*- over barrel by barrel here to the United States, and last time I filled up for 2.15 a gallon, I think its fair to say we dont have a tremendous excess of oil to give to our citizens.) The UN has no bite behind the bark. The UN will sit back all day and write -*BAD WORD*- about this and that, dont do this, dont do that, but when Saddam and anyone else says "Nope, don't think I'll do that" whats the UN's response? Yeah, another passed law saying "Dont do that x2!!" If anything comes out of the current engagement the United States is participating in, it will be that in the world political stage, when the United States says something, they will follow through with their word, not constantly giving and giving and giving without taking action. If Saddam Huessein knew that the UN was prepared to back up its threats of action, HE WOULD HAVE STOPPED WHAT HE WAS DOING. Instead, he continued doing whatever he wished because he knew the UN had no balls. There's another instance in history that comes to mind that was exactly like this. A tyranical dictator keeps taking and taking, while the European countries keep giving and giving, in hopes to avoid conflict. Oh wait, that was the begining of WWII. The UN is a wonderful idea in concept, but when its time to strap yourself to the grind-mill and get to work, most of its members decide to not back up their words. This post is long enough, so I'll chop it off here. Have a nice day Worthless

All I can say is ROFLMFAO. Considering you are speaking of the country that founded democracy as we know it, i'll let that roll off my back. While I wont go into the different scenarios that have scuplted both european and american idealisms and governments, I will touch on a few things. Yes, in general the average United States citizen has an image of America being a great white horse coming to save the day and purge evil. Lots of things can be attributed as the cause of this ideology, but I'll pin most of the explination on a little engagement called WWII, and the allies defeat of Germany. Yeah.. that was the last major conflict that we've played a white horse roll. Steming from the above, let me just say that we do not *have* to divulge anything to any country if we don't choose to do so. The "lets hold hands and do everything possible to avoid conflict" at!@#$%^&*tude is what got mainland Europe in trouble back in the late 30's. Europeans cannot understand americans for the same reason Americans cannot understand Europeans, two different ideologies are at play. European countries have had political relations, wars, alliances, etc for nearly since the dawn of recorded history, and the scene that we have now in Europe is all resultant of political ties steming from the 1500's through the nationalism movement. They know eachother... they are all intertwined. Us dirty yanks have our on-going experiment going on across the ocean, which has just been going on for around 200 years. Get the point? It is truely a shame that the internation community has turned on us so quickly, It was only 60 years ago today that an allied force comprised of americans, canadians, and british landed on the beaches of normandy and spearheaded the eventual liberation of Europe. It was only 50 years ago that we poured billions of dollars in free money to rebuild your nations. It was only 40 years ago that we undertook the battle against Russia to keep them from filling the power-vacuum of a war-torn Europe. It was only 10 years ago that we prevented Saddam Huessein from creating a practical oil-monopoly in the middle east. And now, in present day we remove the worst modern day dictator from power (under whatever pretenses, I dont care if President Bush said "I drank my -*BAD WORD*- a few to many beers last night, hit my head on the presidential bed before passing out, and in my dreams a giant pink panda bear dancing the sugar plum fairy told me to go hunt down Saddam.. so thats what we're gonna do by god!!" ) you turn on us in a heartbeat. Good war or bad war, I just thought it was pretty funny that when our troops did get into iraq, and baghdad.. we found crates of weapons and munitions from france and russia, the 2 countries most adamantly against us invading. Sore that we removed a money source?? Who knows =) That is all, If i remember to check back on the forums I might reply to any responses. Sorry for the novel. Worthless.