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Yeah, some good guides would be useful, maybe i'll make a guide on how to be a successful scoring frequency in pub What format do we send the guides in? Standard .txt? or can we have images?

I wanted Latvia to beat Czech Republic, that would have been awesome... but even France didnt have the final product, Holland were fairly lucky, they didnt play like they wanted to win... think they expected Germany to be easier than they were. Sweden did well, that diving header was

I agree, the problem is not about how many people view it, its about how many people view it AND bother to post their opinions, its had 230 views, which would indicate that about 25 diffrent people have viewed the thread... Most of them people are 'Lurkers' who merely watch, only posting when they really need to. People are too cynical... All people's views are valid if they validate their views... wow im quite philosophic at times lol

Hey i have an idea... how about making it one Ter per team... like the captain... can provide the transportation... also you could probably give it a few more features seeing as only one ship per team can have them, maybe free x radar or what not... first person gets to use... would be good to have like the ms2 mothership as the ter lol

The Danes done themself proud, not easy playing a team thats expected to win, but it also can help because lack off pressure. Im still backing England to win, even though France beat us (which i reckon was unfair, least they couldn't score from normal play). <_< I think these are all the teams: Bulgaria Croatia Czech Rep Denmark England France Germany Greece Holland Italy Latvia Portugal Russia Spain Sweden Switzerland Dont think ive missed any out. Ooooh we all should of done Yahoo Fantasy Football for Euro '04, could of had 17th Parallel league

i just checked it... i was like.... .... .... .... . They are abit slow, its like the current one with a mine isnt it? and the slower bullets? it could be ok with L3 bullets like that

Nah roach, i might be ruthless but im not cynical when it comes to other people's idea's Yeah, the terrier with this idea of it being it like a transport/tanking ship could be good. Yeah the WB looks hot, my new fav ship lol

Both of them i disagree with, it would be bad move to give something with 4 bounce bombs, L3 bombs... first reason would make it hard for the ship, because it wouldnt have no real control over where the bombs land perfectly... which could result in close bombing aand team kills... And the obvious... it would become the ultimate defender... You dont really use the bullets like other ship so downgrading them just makes the lanc that much stronger, it would be like upgrading the Jav's bullets in return for no bombs... As for the speed i thought it was average? maybe i was wrong though, but giving it a speed boost would just get it away from the idea that its a defender... a defender with xradar, reps, mines, 4 bounce bombs and good speed... Now thats an atacker... As for the terrier, just clean out and start again like you said Vile... But i honestly wouldn't know where to start with idea's for it... how about heavy duty ship, L1 bombs and Bullets, high energy and a couple of specials, like a ship that soaks up damage in base wars... a ship with fairly good speed and manuv but can take alotta hits, but when it gives them back it's energy will drop more rapidly... ok reading that back that sounds pretty rubbish idea lol N/m... ok another idea... How about a balling ship, mines, rep, good speed, good manuv... not built to kill but ball...

Ok i finally got to play the sets with about 7-8 people... and i thought two things... 1)The WB is a great ship which is perfect for combatting the Jav, with fairly equal results for both ships, i think this is the type of rivalry that should be encouraged because like the Jav the WB in this set is essentialy a raw ship, just like the Jav, i would say drop the rep though. 2)The weasel is a great ship but im not sure about this idea of another raw combat ship, i would have liked to seen a ship that helps the ball game. The Wb/Jav conflict is enough, and with 2 raw fighting ships i believe its enough. <_< Anyway Vile, i love the WB, that is good work. Pat yourself on the back man lol

You should make it public for a day or so, try and get as much feedback as possible, the more people the more accurate, and even if poeple dont come here and give their opininons im sure we could post logs on us opionated pubbers As for what i think, i checked it like 2 seconds ago, i HATE the weasel, just for the mere fact its too similar to the jav with less speed and less energy, which would make it prone to long range bombing which the jav seems to combat against, it doesn't seem to add nothing, although the way it can get in base's would make it a pretty interesting base battle, would really need to get alot of people to get maximum response in terms of combat. Im not to sure about the Lanc, i still think that we should try what i stated: "As for the Lancaster maybe slowing its speed? just a little bit, not a huge speed change, but just to anchor down that its essentially a basing and defence ship, rather than a ball winner, its 2 rep's, 4 bounce bombs, x radar and mines would make it a too perfect balling ship". Yeah spider bullets seem too slow. I also like the current terrier, but maybe a change in bullets? how about a one spread L1 bullets that are cheap to shoot? Levi seems ok. Anyway thts just my look on things but would be great to see it as the main map to see how the combat works, that way we see the ship's hierarchy and can evaluate and change from there. Great work VW

will do, i suggested it could be abused because some people may end up dileberately passing the ball to make messages come up... the more passing the more messages, thus being abuse, but thanks, will do

here here Delic. Why not work on a useful bot, like a commentator Bot that tells you when the ball changes hands and when you lose the ball? or at least a message to your freq so when your team collects the ball you know who to attach to, but there'd be the obvious abuse issue, but im sure if you didnt show a message for the passing of a ball to a team mate within "x" amount of seconds it could be resolved. Id find it extremely useful. Rix

i think terrier is ok, will they still get that upgrade bomb green? As for the Lancaster maybe slowing its speed? just a little bit, not a huge speed change, but just to anchor down that its essentially a basing and defence ship, rather than a ball winner, its 2 rep's, 4 bounce bombs, x radar and mines would make it a too perfect balling ship.

Yeah the Lanc seems abit too powerful, as much as i like the Lanc it doesn't seem to have no weakness', with the current Lanc its week when a ship can get close to it because every other ship beats it bullets to bullets, with the new set lanc the reps eliminate this weakness and the 2 mines slow ships down in getting close enough to use its weakness against it... Furthermore its energy saving green will help this even more. Fundementally its a buff up of the current Ter, with obvious and MANY advantages. Also the idea of 3 ships having the chance to get anti could be a downfall of the Spider and Levi who really require this ability, especially since the spider only has one burst now. Anyway thats just how i view things on paper, im sure things will be easier once they get tested. Rix

Yeah the Lanc seems abit too powerful, as much as i like the Lanc it doesn't seem to have no weakness', with the current Lanc its week when a ship can get close to it because every other ship beats it bullets to bullets, with the new set lanc the reps eliminate this weakness and the 2 mines slow ships down in getting close enough to use its weakness against it... Furthermore its energy saving green will help this even more. Fundementally its a buff up of the current Ter, with obvious and MANY advantages. Also the idea of 3 ships having the chance to get anti could be a downfall of the Spider and Levi who really require this ability, especially since the spider only has one burst now. Anyway thats just how i view things on paper, im sure things will be easier once they get tested. Rix

Yeah im not fully convinced about the idea of greening, but i guess it depends on how rare the abilities will be, the idea of hitting a certain amount of bounty and then getting them isn't so bad, would encourage killing and getting on with the game... And plus you'd know when your team mate has got their ability, when it comes to things like defending a base '//anti on please!'' ... But then some newbi's probably wont get a chance to get it, thats if the bounties too high, unless they just green it. I think the current Ter and Weasel are good ships, they just require more work in getting good at them, i was playing Ter last night and i was getting more kills than ever... Just isnt as newbie friendly as other ships.

Yeah graphics would be cool, but wouldn't they take a while? --- as for the weasel with shrap i thought it would be kinda rubbish too, but in Ms2 the weasel with shrap on an EMP is pretty neat.

Yeah i think buying is useless, i dont think many people waster their points on bricks when they were costly, so its not really no point in having them buyable. And as for the settings it should be a move forward whether they go disasterly or go well... I think people have got to approach them with an open mind, as if your playing the zone for the first time, if you come in ready to compare them it'l go wrong, some players probably won't even give them a chance because of the status of the current sets, if people love the current sets they'll probably dismis the new ones before even getting into them, and vice versa.

i smell jelousy you and roach got that love hate thing going ON ... you do all the hating, DKR does the loving lol

yeah i agree, a few players doesn't warrant automatic switching, the amount of times ive been switched then to see the bot claim the teams are uneven... wtf ive just switched lol

I wouldn't mind, i quite liked the north you made and it provided a much needed break ( from balling) but still having an objective. I think north should be developed in some way shape or form... some people say its pointless but it would its better having something there than another safe, just need to get north incorporated into the ball game and make people realise that it is important and it is worth the effort... and in some ways this is what the new north did, although the novelty factor probably played a major part in that, but the fact that the flags were "getable" made it worth while and defendable...which the current north lacks, defending it is a real chore, especially if your the only person, you just end up changing back the flags a pesky weasels gone and changed doing it for ages until you eventually catch up to the wease. And then you have to defend it again... Rix

Welcome & nice to meet u, i am Rix. Lol . Good to see that people from elsewhere recognises 17th's originality and its nice to see new faces. You'll probably see me around now and again (feel free to say hi... Or f*ck off, if your in a bad mood lol, il be sure to say it to you... 'hi' that is lol) but not too often at the moment because of exams . Anyway once again its good to see new people... And one's that post on the forum lol anyway im off to sleep, night... Have a nice Bank Hol's fellow Uk'ians lol

I quite like it... on my own i think lol maybe its because i enjoy basing and its a new objective, the novelty will probably wear off soon. Changes are nice now and then, whether they're good or bad.

Yeah, as a loyal Millwall fan im not too sure about it being a beautiful game... Lol well down the den it isnt. Heh. Yeah, i was sorta trying to get the idea of indoor football incorporated, maybe slow it down a little, making the passing important, but not so slow its boring. But im not too sure the in's and out's of the settings, it would probably take a lot of trial and error, and at the moment i haven't got bundles of time to spare to relay the things that need changing, and im sure the sysops haven't either. Sigh... Maybe i'll work on the GFX. Anyway thanks for your input Jim n Rory Rix

It looks pretty dodgy, i haven't tried it yet (on my mobile phone at the moment), but as soon as i get home i'll try it. Looks pretty complex for what its worth... An interesting FF could be to have the flags that you can pick up... And the freq with the most after the ball games finished wins (if thats possible) ... Would keep the main objective the ball game but the flags as a sub game... No point in getting flags unless your going to score.