Pleasurable?  I think the goal is simply humane treatment.   There is a very good reason to treat people with dignity.  It's the moral thing to do.   I don't think anybody has forgotten 9/11, except maybe my -year-old grandmother.  The disagreement over war in Iraq and how the US is responding is a question of what is the best and most practical way to prevent terrorism -- our invasion of Iraq may be setting off more terrorism than before.   The dislike of the Bush administration comes from a whole bunch of angles.  There are the people who hated Republicans already.   There are the people who disagree with the war in Iraq because they think it's actually helping fester terrorism.  Their beliefs may turn out to be correct.  On the other hand, it may be that this war will burn democracy into southwest Asia much like Napoleon did with Europe.   The second reason for disagreeing with the Bush administration would be the people who disagree with the war in Iraq because humans are dying.  People who like to count American deaths are simply selfish and I have no respect for them.   There are the people who dislike the Bush administration because they are totalitarians.  Totalitarians who believe in elections, but there are even Republican-types who would think that pushing off elections is a valid option if a terrorist attack happens that day or just before.  Those people are simply scary, and one has to wonder what they are up to.  They have vastly expanded government powers, and it is currently possible for a U.S. citizen to be arrested and held indefinitely without trial.  It could happen to you, Aileron; all they have to do is claim you are a terrorist.  It's also possible for the government to seize your belongings and search your house or apartment without a warrant, and you'll never know it.  Again, all they have to do is call you a terrorist.  I thought that unlimited government ability of search and seizure was one of the gripes against the British before the Revolutionary War.   Generally speaking, this destruction of all liberty has been justified with excuses of security.  But the same excuses could go for regular, non-terroristic crime, and the same logic could be used to justify warrantless arrests and search and seizure in those cases.  This logic is clearly wrong, unless you actually think a police state is a good idea.  The administration has gotten its support not by appealing to people's rational side, but instead it has appealed to their emotional side.  The people who have "forgotten 9/11" are simply the ones who have gone back to thinking rationally.    Five years ago, if somebody were to describe to me a leader who appealed to people's emotional side and and gave excuses of "security" to increase government power, remove freedoms, and start war, I'd think he was talking of somebody who gained popularity seventy years ago.   If we're going to hold suspected terrorists indefinitely without trial, why not hold suspected committers of other crimes indefinitely without trial?  Releasing them would be "insane."