Kill9mm

First to capture all CP's 3 times wins. 30 minute limit - Most # CP's captured wins. To promote the league I would recruit squads out of other zones. Tell them you need skill to play so don't bother signing up unless the squad is skilled. Set up a practice league arena for them and put their squad logos on the map using LVZ. Encourage scrimmaging somehow...

I think someone is working on that. But how can we get the player replacement bots to post negative thoughts on zone forums? Oh well perhaps in another life!

Heh.. it was a last minute thing put in. We'll update the map and have it so that the bot is a jav and has a clear line of fire to any intruders.

SSCX Powerball is dead because their vets did nothing to make the zone more fun. Change is good for long-term viability.

The FF map has been updated from suggestions here, so please use this thread to post your comments!

Come to ?go 17thnew2 and view the completed left of the map for updates in response to feedback in this forum.

Bleh.

Dead Ends... you must be talking about the center path. Obviously the purpose of the center path is to wall p!@#$%^&* or tube pass The length to the goal... thats why there's a key named F7, its called "attaching".

And I'm not getting mad at the suggestions, we NEED suggestions. What I get mad at is repe!@#$%^&*ive answers to the same re-*BAD WORD*-ed questions over and over again. Even when I answer them over and over and over. Like, This map needs to lose the dead ends. There are no dead ends. Think about the purpose behind the map and LEARN it, don't just complain because YOU don't get it. Make the center bigger. I did, twice. Tons more. The other threads are proof of this. The feedback received had previously changed the map.

There are no dead ends. Are you people re-*BAD WORD*-ed? Regarding the killing only, the map is designed for that as a legitimate strategy to aid the ballers. However, BOTH sides need to be balling to some extent, not just one side racking up points.

The double walls were designed to strictly not allow it, but the current pub settings do allow double wall passing IF you take the time to get it right.

I wish I could fire you Maur, you are the absolute most unintelligent person I know in Subspace. What you think you may know actually makes you look dumber, and that in itself makes you look even DUMBER (if there is such a thing). Back to the topic at hand, when I was angry at noone attaching it was because the other team was completely owning at the ball game. Its that noone on the TEAM wanted to play ball, when the OTHER team was racking up all the points. What I don't understand is, what does it matter if you are "playing ball"? I mean, you're FIGHTING either in SPAWN or going after the BALL. An objective makes it more FUN. Am I not following something here?

First to respond to Samapico: The tube bombs arent supposed to reach center. This would make it absolutely insane to spawn if I took out the blockades! In the pub map bombs are blocked as well. Putting an entrance to the goal in the tube area doesn't work for this map - it would be easier to take the shortest path as opposed to one of the equally lengthed paths. The light blue area is used as a way of defending wall passes and other enemies. As well it can be used to feed the ball back into the tube area. You do have a place to go - you may attach to other players or go into one of the paths to the goal. This I'm unsure about. My first thoughts were to allow the wallp!@#$%^&*ing, but for a new map it would of been almost too much strategy at once. Maybe there could be set points where wallp!@#$%^&*ing could be encouraged in the paths to the goal. I agree with all your comments here. And next is kentbrockman: You need to have someone anchored in your team's goal area. It makes it difficult to defend against enemies if this isn't the case, where some of the complaints have been. Regarding dead ends... I have yet to discover a "dead end". Will someone please explain to me what the -*BAD WORD*- they are talking about? The map was designed for the current pub player limits and privately tested with a minimum of 4v4, all was fun. As long as people play the ball game that is. its a great map, it really is. and maybe we need to use it for a couple weeks to see if the population will stay as 8vs8. i will miss the sitting cloaking spiders bursting at me though.

rofl. Criz you suck.

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