Thors and Weasels

[James1293]

I think that most of us agree (we shall see based on poll results) that weasels need some changes. While it's fine that one ship is better than all others for rushing, the weasel's combination of Fast bursts and bombs/thors, extremely low delay, capability, and to top it off, EMP bombs makes it perhaps bettter than the levis before the rocket nerf.

 

I'm not suggesting a change that makes people have to change rushing ships, but IMO the weasel is strong enough to continue being a great rusher if one of these !@#$%^&*ets were taken away. My choice would be removal of thors, since the prevalence of weasels combined with a high population causes thors to damage you almost perpetually. The lack of an extra burst should not be a huge detriment.

 

Discuss.

[EclipseX]

I agree. And I think Levis should get rockets back =]

[tiss61]

first of all it's these complains that get all our ships nerfed. and second of all weasel cant rush that well because of their "obvious" low energy and low defense. so to make it up they have long range weapons such a thors and FAST bursts.

[James1293]

For each ship nerf, there is a ship increase, and the wzl got increased a bit too much.

 

It rushes fine, or it wouldnt be used so much. I am merely suggesting that the thors are taken off. A minor nerf.

[tiss61]

lol if there wlz really got nerfed then what's next? sharks nerf then what? lanc nerf?! before you know it hyperspace would suck

[11___________]

I think weasel shouldnt have more bomb speed than a heavy bomber, bursts that are pretty much unstoppable with ad, and its so sexy it blinds the other ships. Fixes=Bombspeed

[Matrim Cauthon]

in a major basing game, thors arent really that useful, salvo users can thor just as well as cyclone, the problem is with the delay timer of cyclone and the fact is is l2(which has alot of splash), maybe just nerf it to salvo?

[Kilo]

THAT'D MAKE CYCLONE TOTALLY USELESS DON'T DO IT

[oid]

I say get rid of pd on lev and weasel, then give levs rockets again, and nerf thor splash damage. Cuz 10 ppl all spamming thors is just ridiculous, and its impossible for anybody to really bty.

[Suicide_Run]

Charmed, werent u the one who was whining about levi and asking it to be nerfed before?

[James1293]

in a major basing game, thors arent really that useful

Correction: in a major base game, thors are annoying as crap.

Oid agrees with me:

I say get rid of pd on lev and weasel, then give levs rockets again, and nerf thor splash damage. Cuz 10 ppl all spamming thors is just ridiculous, and its impossible for anybody to really bty.

This is my main complaint.

 

PS: Who the heck put "make them stronger"???

Edited January 28, 2008 by James1293

[DaRuler]

It's a really tough concept to grasp, but the repels actually REPEL the thors!! Jeez, all this nerfing and nerfing ugh. People that want to bounty, and get thorred are probably voting nerf. The point of basing is keep the base, not to bounty. Yes, it's nice to bounty in a lev, but so what. You want it to be impossible to kill bountying levs instead.

 

Just stop all the nerfing and have fun =/. Next thing you know fields will be a 5X5 tiles each, bricks will be 1 tile, and every ship will have the same bomb/guns. UGH. /Semi Rant

[oid]

Its usually impossible to rep the thors, since somebody else on your team will catch them way before they are in range of your repels, and the splash damage is so big that it still damages basically everybody on the screen. And I don't want it to be impossible to kill bountying ships, I'd just like to see bases that aren't filled with a bunch of itemspamming weasels, since basically the only ship you can really be effective in base with now is a weasel.

[Matrim Cauthon]

in a major basing game, thors arent really that useful, salvo users can thor just as well as cyclone, the problem is with the delay timer of cyclone and the fact is is l2(which has alot of splash), maybe just nerf it to salvo?

THAT'D MAKE CYCLONE TOTALLY USELESS DON'T DO IT

u misunderstood me, i meant take cyclone out and put in salvo, salvo is good enough for any rusher, u dont need to spam l2 bombs everywhere and have 1/2 the delay of salvo

[tiss61]

Charmed, werent u the one who was whining about levi and asking it to be nerfed before?

lol you wish i never complained about levis the only thing i EVER complained about is the tw change

[Suicide_Run]

I say.....remove siege pack and bring back the thor pack thingy where you gotta buy thors =p

[cow888]

in a major basing game, thors arent really that useful

Correction: in a major base game, thors are annoying as crap.

Oid agrees with me:

I say get rid of pd on lev and weasel, then give levs rockets again, and nerf thor splash damage. Cuz 10 ppl all spamming thors is just ridiculous, and its impossible for anybody to really bty.

This is my main complaint.

 

PS: Who the heck put "make them stronger"???

I did it for the lulz.

[Dr. Snyder]

It occured me the second i bought a rushing weasel that it was in need of nerfing. To make things worse everyone can afford a good rushing weasel, and with overflowing pop at time that makes basing all the more mindless. It takes no skill I can conceive of to spam all your items in 5 seconds, die and comeback only to repeat the cycle. Siege pack nerfing is a minimum, I would even go so far as saying cyclone should be taken out in favor of salvo. The speed of wzl thors from both a velocity and delay point of view makes them insanely overpowered in base and center.

 

Levi rockets could be brought back but maybe limit them to 1 and slow it down? But regardless of what is done the problem with weasels NEEDs to be fixed, they are clearly overpowered, and incredibly easy to use.

[tcsoccer and neptune]

weasels are fine, they are just the next rushing ship that you guys wish to nerf. everyone wasted there money making 400k rushing weasels and now they are saying they are overpowred. maybe if these newbs can

 

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and

 

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii194/Neppy171/Makemoneylol.jpg

 

they could make their own rushing weasel or rushing lanc (lancs are really good at rushing) so they could too pwn, but then have people complain and have to sell their nerfed wzl. thats what happens with EVERYTHING. weasels actually bring balance to the HS community, they help bring town pesky turrets and runwinners, and lames, and hiders. you should be happy they are here.

[James1293]

I've heard mods sometimes refund after major nerfs.... but i've never seen it happen Edited January 30, 2008 by James1293

[tiss61]

i have an idea! maybe make the prices of cyclone way more expensive? maybe like 80k or something? so people that's poor at least cant afford it fast.

[Matrim Cauthon]

they could make their own rushing weasel or rushing lanc (lancs are really good at rushing) so they could too pwn,

2 things: number 1. people like me prefer classic rushing ships

2. right now a wzl can take down atleast 2 lancs because it even gets a chance to burst(way longer/faster burst speed, and wzls can fire 3 bursts, and launch a bomb before lancs fire their 2nd burst)

i have an idea! maybe make the prices of cyclone way more expensive? maybe like 80k or something? so people that's poor at least cant afford it fast.

maybe u havent noticed, but money dont matter to many people anymore, most people have atleast 2 ads, and have over 300k unspent, so raising the price is nothing, also most people already have cyclone.

mostly my point is that unlike salvo(weak lvl 1 bomb that barely does any dmg when used in basing, and isnt very overpowered since many ships can use it and lancs can actually stay alive rather than take 3 bursts in the face before they can do anything followed by more emps), cyclone fires too fast, has a triple l2 EMP bouncing bomb(like having a bouncing string of bombs, you know how deadly S.O.P is in center once u hit it) and a super low delay

 

p.s: this is just like when turretbase had 255 reps, it needed alot of nerfs before it got to 5 rockets

Edited February 2, 2008 by Matrim Cauthon

[Suicide_Run]

I've heard mods sometimes refund after major nerfs.... but i've never seen it happen

Everyone "hears" they refund....but have they experienced it? I highly doubt it. Just like how they say they "refunded" the rocket money for taking it off wzl/levi from before.....but everyone who had a levi with rocket didnt get a refund. /rant

 

Anyways, Mat, all lvls of bomb does the same dmg in hs so the dmg of a lvl 1 bomb vs a lvl 2 bomb is the same. Its just the dmg radius and the emp spash that gets really annoying.

 

Pretty much every new player on the block has a cyclone wzl....but lets NOT nerf it cause NOW people starts to say that every ship getting nerfed when the longer term players said that months ago.

 

And raising a price for an item is a bad item. Mainly cause lotta ppl already have it and even if theres a reset. Then your just giving the rich players an even more advantage once they get cyclone.

 

I wish the main rushing ships were warbird or jav instead of wzl and sharks.

[Matrim Cauthon]

true, having wbs and javs(sometimes sharks) as main rushers increases the dificulty of rushing so people dont mindlessly spam bursts/thors as 4/5 of thors are closebombs, and they can seriously hurt small ships that need to get close to kill(instead of a wzl hiding so far away and counting on its bursts to fly to nme)

[xl12570]

wzlsare fine

leave them as they are

weasels with cyclone are , in my opinion, use less for centering cause their nrg drains too fast and they have bad aim leaving them wide open.

it is fair to have one or too really good rushing ships (shark and wzl) and their extreme speed bursts are countered by their lack of armour and nrg compared to levis with only moderate speed [without rockets], plus their size compared to sharks.

any team with decent aim should be able to hit the wzls as they come in the close confines of a base and if they are foolish enough to cyclone, own them with a short burst of fire.

front ships rep the wzls back as they come and back ships constantly fire. the base should be pretty much mined in and im my experience, shrap mines own wzls.

the only way a wzl would be able to kill both lancs of the opposing team is that the lancs are critically weakoned or undefended. the bursts of a weasel should be absorbed long before they reach the back lanc of a team.

thors should not be a problem as is they are gonna kill sumone, they would have to hit weak opponents, which would mean your own team is sumwhere near too. the only ships thors can kill are wbs and javs and those dont belong in bases anyway. thor storms are quite obvious and i doubt that noone would have the reflexes to repel an oncoming wave of purple, gyrating micky mouse shaped balls.

if wzls are nerfed then you would be destroying an effective rushing ship and in that case, you would have to put rockets back on levi XD. of course, on the other havd: i have no experience in basing whatsoever except for the mnibase, in which i own wzls for tea.

 

ps. i just want rockets back on levi

pps . im new so can you see this post?

ppps. i hope you can

pppps. whose bot is the hs bank? apparently its not cer's