Shran Posted August 20, 2007 Report Posted August 20, 2007 I found a very interesting post by a user on Yahoo! Answers in response to the topic "2012.......?" located here. I know a lot of you are into Space and Technology and thought this would be a entertaining topic to discuss, I'll post the user's theory below for everyone to read. Yes, the world as we know it will cease to exist; it will be the end of our current "Earth Age" and the start of a "New Earth Age". The Maya believed that 2012 marks the end of our current "Solar Epoch" or "Sun Age" and it marks the commencement of a "New Solar Epoch" or "New Sun Age". The precipitating agent that will trigger this is the Sirius Binary Stellar System, called "The Dragon", it is also the "Great Dog Star" that Nostradamus said would howl for 7 days. It turns out that our Solar System is on a collision course with Sirius. This is the "Great Mystery of the Ages" that even modern scientists have no knowledge about. They think the Earth's global warming is caused by greenhouse gases, the burning of fossil fuels and pollution by man, but they are wrong. These environmental degradations are caused by the electromagnetic stellar arcing between the star Sirius A and our Sun. As the two systems approach ever closer the effects will become more radical. This is why the arctic poles on Mars are even melting; for this phenomenon is affecting everything in our whole system. What is coming is an extinction level event that will wipe our entire global technoculture off the face of the Earth. Nothing but a handful of post-catastrophic survivors will remain to undertake the Herculean task of "recivilization" all over again, which will require another 12,000 years before ever reaching the technological status that we enjoy today. Sirius B will p!@#$%^&* by the Earth first causing a 45 degree pole shift. Cities like New York will be thrust towards the North Pole and become frozen wastelands. Great and horrific earthquakes worldwide will be a daily occurrence reducing all cities to rubble. Next, Sirius A will p!@#$%^&* between the Earth and the Sun. The mean surface temperature of the Earth is considered to be 59 degrees; this will escalate to 5,300 degrees, because Sirius A is 2.24 solar masses larger than our Sun and at the half way distance will be equal to of our Suns in the sky. All flesh of people and animals will "flash-fry", and the fish in the sea will boil to a poached level. All materials on the surface of the Earth will spontaneously combust, including all world forests and cities. All metals will melt, including vehicles. The passing of Sirius A will cause our Sun to turn upside-down for both stars possess opposite polarities, and this will cause all the planets in our Solar System, including the Earth, to turn upside-down. The oceans will displace out of their basins and overrun the continents burying whole nations beneath a layer of 2-mile thick alluvium soil. The Earth may even be catapulted out of its orbit causing the arctic Polar Regions to wander freezing everything that enters their pathway. As the two solar system p!@#$%^&* through each other in this Great Transversion, it is very much like two bubbles passing through each other, this will cause all the debris in the debris belts of each system to dislodge and rain down a torrential downpour of m!@#$%^&* celestial bombardment; everything will be destroyed. The debris belts in our system are the Oort belt, Kuilper belt and the Asteroid Belt. The horrible judgments against the maturation of evil upon the Earth and against corrupt Man whose pride !@#$%^&*ails the very Throne of God at the end of our age and described in the Book of Revelation in the Bible will actually be produced by this cosmocataclysmic event, the burning of the Earth, the boiling of the seas, the great earthquakes, the 100 pound asteroids of m!@#$%^&* celestial bombardment, the leveling of every mountain, and the sweeping away of all the islands. Afterwards, a New Age will begin, and knowledge of our existence will be wiped away and forgotten, becoming a vague myth of a former "Golden Age". So let me know what your thoughts are on this guy's theory. Do you think it's possible? Or is this just another hoax? You decide! And also, feel free to post your own theories of how the world could change in 2012 as well.
Dav Posted August 20, 2007 Report Posted August 20, 2007 If we were going to collide with that star it would be a !@#$%^&*load closer then it is now. It is 8.6 light years away which is a very large distance. Even at light speed we wouldn't get there by 2012
Shran Posted August 20, 2007 Author Report Posted August 20, 2007 Do you think it could be a problem in the future at least? And if it were, how do you think we could avoid it?
Dav Posted August 20, 2007 Report Posted August 20, 2007 possibly but our own sun will have wiped us out before it becomes a problem. Only way to avoid that is develop FTL travel and find a new planet.
Cancer+ Posted August 20, 2007 Report Posted August 20, 2007 lol The scientists don't know about this? I think if some average people like you and me and some guy on Yahoo knows this, then surely our scientists do.
Shran Posted August 20, 2007 Author Report Posted August 20, 2007 (edited) So there's a very good chance that most of this is false. However, some of it is indeed true I think, as far as the Myth's go. So we may not be on a collision course any time soon then. But it does bring up some good scientific theories. And you gotta admit, this guy did his math as far as what would happen if our two Solar Systems did collide. All planets being turned upside down? Cities going under with giant earthquakes? Flash-frying? Five thousand degree temperature changes? Boiling water? Man those are some scary visuals. It made me brainstorm as to how one could survive those kinds of conditions. Perhaps before it happens, you could be in a shelter 200 miles down in a reinforced !@#$%^&*anium bunker insulated with dry ice and liquid cooled air? Along with a 5 year supply of compressed air and enough canned food and water to last for a few years as well. But in the end you are actually upside down, buried under mountains of granite and boiling hot water that makes it impossible to leave. And what would you do about a bathroom? Lol almost better off flash-frying if death is immediate. And what exactly would the experience be like? What would the massive quakes look like? Would the planet literally start ripping itself apart chunk by chunk? Would you actually be sucked up into the air and out towards space before you get the chance to be disintegrated over time? How badly would being disintegrated hurt and what would be the duration of agony? Would your skin blister and break, or just melt off? Would all the blood just slide down off your body when your skin is gone? How long would your heart pump without blood? Would you even feel anything without your skin while your muscles were melting? I don't know why but I truly find this fascinating from a scientific point of view. Edited August 20, 2007 by Shran
SeVeR Posted August 20, 2007 Report Posted August 20, 2007 The Sirius Binary system is 8.6 light years away and is heading towards us at 7.6 km per second. Thus it would be 40,000 years before any collision, and even then i doubt the path would be a direct enough collision to precipitate the catastophes you mention. It's motion probably takes it to some point where it is closest to our sun before it begins heading away from us - like a car that goes past you when you're waiting on the side of a road. Anyway, 40,000 years is not 4 years, someone did their math a bit wrong. I can't really comment on those effects, it all depends on just how close Sirius would get. The Earth could could be thrown out of orbit to freeze in the depths of space, broken up into an asteroid field, or sucked into the sun or sirius and completely incinerated into it's consituent atoms. The people on Earth would certainly die in any scenario. To make any prediction you need a complex model of the path and velocity of Sirius with respect to the solar system at its point of closest approach.
SeVeR Posted August 20, 2007 Report Posted August 20, 2007 No problem. What i mean by a complex model is one that is purely mathematical. A code would be written in a computer language such as Fortran-90. A number of variables such as the density, 'viscosity' and m!@#$%^&* of the Earth, and the temperature, relative velocity and relative distance of Sirius would be put into the code as initial parameters. The code could be set up to loop over intervals of distance. The tidal forces would be calculated from known formulas and based on the initial variables we'd see if the Earth would break up... one could probably use the Roche Limit formula for asteroids that break up during their descent to Earth, except this would be for the Earth descending into Sirius. It would be a simple matter then to calculate the changing temperature of the Earth from the distance and temperature of Sirius. One could theorise from that the surface effects in the form of water evaporation, although producing a model to predict Earthquakes and volcanic activity would be much more difficult. A model to see whether the Earth would be thrown out of orbit and into space is again difficult as you'd need to factor in the sun and probably the moon. All this is made even more difficult by the fact that Sirius is a binary star. Anyway, only once all that is done can you produce a realistic and nifty looking graphical image of the Earth being boiled, torn apart, eaten, tossed into space etc.
ra$ta420 Posted August 20, 2007 Report Posted August 20, 2007 I do think Earth as we know it is ending.Summers are hotter winters are colder,more and more natural disasters happen each year,only a matter of time be for the big one comes.We all ready saw the power one wave can do with a little earth quake. The Mayans knew more about space/time than we know now,they had the most sophisticated calender know to man.With that said ,I do believe that the world will end on 2012.
Falcoknight Posted August 20, 2007 Report Posted August 20, 2007 Rasta, stop smoking the stuff in your sig
Telson Posted August 21, 2007 Report Posted August 21, 2007 sounds like a script to a great scifi movie.. lets hope it comes out before 2012
Dav Posted August 21, 2007 Report Posted August 21, 2007 I do think Earth as we know it is ending.Summers are hotter winters are colder have you been to England this year? over here the winter has been warmer and the summer colder then normal. Why is it some dooms day theories get more people believing them then others? The world was supposed to end in 1998, 2000, 2002.... I've heard one for years saying that the planet will explode in 2007. So if we listen to all of these the world will end every single year until it actually happens in a few billion years...
X`terrania Posted August 21, 2007 Report Posted August 21, 2007 The Earth is a living thing, and thusly it goes through changes like all normal living things. We are living things, so we obviously go through changes and various different stages. We feed off of the Earth to live, so we are parasites. But then again, parasites feed off of us to live, too. We're all dependent on each other. The Earth has gone through a lot of different stages, and we've always adapted to them. And I feel that this process will go on forever and ever, and the only way it'll be stopped is by the sun exploding in billions of years, or we somehow destroy ourselves (which is really unlikely especially in terms of nuclear missiles: they know that if they fire they will be fired upon, so why risk it? They're only chasing safety..)
SeVeR Posted August 21, 2007 Report Posted August 21, 2007 The Earth is not alive. Nature is alive. The Earth would still exist without a single molecule of life. Nature is as parasitic to the Earth as we are, because we are apart of nature. But if the Earth is not alive then nature is not parasitic and neither are we. We use the resources at our disposal to rearrange atoms and molecules into complex constructions that make the universe a more interesting place to live in. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
1$hot Posted August 21, 2007 Report Posted August 21, 2007 This summer wasnt as hot as before and last years winter wasn't as cold either as 2005's winter.
X`terrania Posted August 21, 2007 Report Posted August 21, 2007 Way to kill something beautiful, Timothy. But yeah... about winter, like this year it didn't happen until about January, which is really fine with me, but now the temperature is dropping already and it seems like we're going back into winter again.
AstroProdigy Posted August 21, 2007 Report Posted August 21, 2007 (edited) Why would the earth flip itself? Sounds like someone has no understanding of mechanical physics. ;-) Also, scientists aren't stupid; if the catastrophic event were happening it would have already been happening for thousands of years and would continue to happen for thousands of years; no life would live under those conditions with exception to maybe underground bacteria. Anyway, this is about as accurate as the earth is flat theory. The Maya didn't know more about space than we did. Just because we destroyed their culture there's no need to give them some imaginary reverence and last time I checked my ancestors were too busy living under the British after a period of Turkish imperialism to destroy anyone so I really don't care to give imaginary reverence to a culture that, although ahead of it's time, was not ahead of our time. Sticking the book of revelations into it just proved that it's fake. We all know Christianity's a fairytale; it's like Neverland and the land of Oz. I think I can not covet my neighbors wife I think I can not covet my neighbors wife. Right now we're like a disease to the earth's biosphere; we multiply too much and are taking up too much space. It's not surprising things are getting messed up it's the common logic that everyone but red staters (who have their entire philosophy strictly dictated to them) can see. There is no dooms day scenario. Even an asteroid impact probably won't wipe us all out unless it's a really rare, really big asteroid and that we can detect. It's also only a matter of centuries max before we establish colonies elsewhere. Short of an idiotic nuclear strike or an alien invasion we're 99.9% safe. Edited August 21, 2007 by AstroProdigy
ra$ta420 Posted August 21, 2007 Report Posted August 21, 2007 I do think Earth as we know it is ending.Summers are hotter winters are colder have you been to England this year? over here the winter has been warmer and the summer colder then normal. No,I live in u.s.a (not for long) all I know is its hot as !@#$%^&* 105F atm,and in winter it gets to 20.
Drake7707 Posted August 21, 2007 Report Posted August 21, 2007 Another !@#$%^&*umption (of the end of the world) is that there's also the fact that the mayan calender ends in 2012 like as if there's nothing afterwards (the calender had entries for thousands of years)
Shran Posted August 21, 2007 Author Report Posted August 21, 2007 (edited) I think 2012 is so talked about because many cultures and beliefs and TV Shows like the X Files talk about that year and how it has some kind of Doomsday scenario. If it turns out that this is proven wrong and nothing happens by 2013, then I think we can all dismiss a lot of things. But until then it is gonna be a hot topic around the world. Edited August 21, 2007 by Shran
Falcoknight Posted August 22, 2007 Report Posted August 22, 2007 (edited) Rasta, up here in Maine we had a snow day off of school in the middle of April =)Followed by three straight days of rain, followed by two days of temperatures in the mid 90s/upper 80s. So as long as the weather in Maine is !@#$%^&*ty, erratic, and unpredictable, I know that the world is in order. Edited August 22, 2007 by Falcoknight
SeVeR Posted August 22, 2007 Report Posted August 22, 2007 (edited) The Mayans had to pick some date to end their calender, it couldn't have gone on forever or they would have been there making it forever. Even if the Mayans really did think the world would end then, it's no reason to believe it will. Astroprodigy said it very well: "They were ahead of their time, but they weren't ahead of our time". Although, i have a few bones to pick with you Astro. Even though Christianity is full of absolutist religious garbage, one thing we should agree on is that alot of it is stolen from earlier religions. In fact the whole Jesus story is stolen from a number of other religions which have the exact same story about a saviour born on the 25th of December to a virgin mother with three wise men present. The reason is purely astronomical with the three wise men representing stars that align on the 25th, a day which has special significance in astronomy. (www.zeitgeistmovie.com). Suffice to say, Christianity isn't really any less significant than more primitive religions that were based on astrology and astronomy, one just has to reinterpret the words: i.e. Jesus = Sun, `new age' = `new astromical epoc'. It all fits together perfectly. We are not a disease that multiplies too much. We have conquered the Earth in response to being genetically programmed to do so. Through our evolutionary path we have beaten all the other spieces on the planet, thus eliminating the threats they pose to our survival. It is not a disease-like status that is ruining our environment, it is imperfect genetics which are causing us to present a new threat to our existence by ruining our habitat. I'm not a "red-stater", i'm just someone who doesn't buy into the liberal hippie mumbo-jumbo that tells us to do things without any real basis to do them. I understand the human condition. Anything that threatens my survival or the survival of the spieces is the closest thing you get to wrong, and that therefore includes pollution. We care for the Earth because we need the Earth, not because it's some `mother life-force' that deserves ultimate compassion. That's your liberal mind turning a good idea into a religious idea through a lack of understanding for the ideas purpose. Edited August 22, 2007 by SeVeR
AstroProdigy Posted August 22, 2007 Report Posted August 22, 2007 The Mayans had to pick some date to end their calender, it couldn't have gone on forever or they would have been there making it forever. Even if the Mayans really did think the world would end then, it's no reason to believe it will. Astroprodigy said it very well: "They were ahead of their time, but they weren't ahead of our time". Although, i have a few bones to pick with you Astro. Even though Christianity is full of absolutist religious garbage, one thing we should agree on is that alot of it is stolen from earlier religions. In fact the whole Jesus story is stolen from a number of other religions which have the exact same story about a saviour born on the 25th of December to a virgin mother with three wise men present. The reason is purely astronomical with the three wise men representing stars that align on the 25th, a day which has special significance in astronomy. (www.zeitgeistmovie.com). Suffice to say, Christianity isn't really any less significant than more primitive religions that were based on astrology and astronomy, one just has to reinterpret the words: i.e. Jesus = Sun, `new age' = `new astromical epoc'. It all fits together perfectly. We are not a disease that multiplies too much. We have conquered the Earth in response to being genetically programmed to do so. Through our evolutionary path we have beaten all the other spieces on the planet, thus eliminating the threats they pose to our survival. It is not a disease-like status that is ruining our environment, it is imperfect genetics which are causing us to present a new threat to our existence by ruining our habitat. I'm not a "red-stater", i'm just someone who doesn't buy into the liberal hippie mumbo-jumbo that tells us to do things without any real basis to do them. I understand the human condition. Anything that threatens my survival or the survival of the spieces is the closest thing you get to wrong, and that therefore includes pollution. We care for the Earth because we need the Earth, not because it's some `mother life-force' that deserves ultimate compassion. That's your liberal mind turning a good idea into a religious idea through a lack of understanding for the ideas purpose. Still if we ever hope to advance ourselves to be more than we are now we have to act like it; not killing the biosphere that made us is a good start. I watched the Zeitgeist video and then went and looked up the myths about some of these ancient religions. The fact is that most of them have MANY different legends about them and if you nit pick exactly what you want you can say you proved just about anything. I agree the parts about Jesus being born of a virgin and being resurrected and such were made up afterwards, possibly from other religions, but that doesn't mean that Jesus never existed and the "he fed people with fish therefore he's a representation of Pisces is a pretty weak argument. Just because Zeitgeist is convincing doesn't mean it's all true as shown by the way he nit picked mythology for his point. Also, I was confused as to where the creator of Zeitgeist got his Jesus=Sun instead of son. Is that a typo thing? You know that doesn't necessarily refer to other languages if their word for son is very different from their word for sun. Just like not all bacteria is harmful to the human body, not all species are harmful to the planet. We just happen to have the genetics that turn us from a beneficial part of the environment to a very harmful leech. We're not even smart "bacteria" because we don't realize at this rate we're screwing ourselves too. I know you're not a red stater. You're a libertarian from what I can see.
Dav Posted August 22, 2007 Report Posted August 22, 2007 The Mayans had to pick some date to end their calender, it couldn't have gone on forever or they would have been there making it forever. Even if the Mayans really did think the world would end then, it's no reason to believe it will. Astroprodigy said it very well: "They were ahead of their time, but they weren't ahead of our time". Although, i have a few bones to pick with you Astro. Even though Christianity is full of absolutist religious garbage, one thing we should agree on is that alot of it is stolen from earlier religions. In fact the whole Jesus story is stolen from a number of other religions which have the exact same story about a saviour born on the 25th of December to a virgin mother with three wise men present. The reason is purely astronomical with the three wise men representing stars that align on the 25th, a day which has special significance in astronomy. (www.zeitgeistmovie.com). Suffice to say, Christianity isn't really any less significant than more primitive religions that were based on astrology and astronomy, one just has to reinterpret the words: i.e. Jesus = Sun, `new age' = `new astromical epoc'. It all fits together perfectly. We are not a disease that multiplies too much. We have conquered the Earth in response to being genetically programmed to do so. Through our evolutionary path we have beaten all the other spieces on the planet, thus eliminating the threats they pose to our survival. It is not a disease-like status that is ruining our environment, it is imperfect genetics which are causing us to present a new threat to our existence by ruining our habitat. I'm not a "red-stater", i'm just someone who doesn't buy into the liberal hippie mumbo-jumbo that tells us to do things without any real basis to do them. I understand the human condition. Anything that threatens my survival or the survival of the spieces is the closest thing you get to wrong, and that therefore includes pollution. We care for the Earth because we need the Earth, not because it's some `mother life-force' that deserves ultimate compassion. That's your liberal mind turning a good idea into a religious idea through a lack of understanding for the ideas purpose. Still if we ever hope to advance ourselves to be more than we are now we have to act like it; not killing the biosphere that made us is a good start. I watched the Zeitgeist video and then went and looked up the myths about some of these ancient religions. The fact is that most of them have MANY different legends about them and if you nit pick exactly what you want you can say you proved just about anything. I agree the parts about Jesus being born of a virgin and being resurrected and such were made up afterwards, possibly from other religions, but that doesn't mean that Jesus never existed and the "he fed people with fish therefore he's a representation of Pisces is a pretty weak argument. Just because Zeitgeist is convincing doesn't mean it's all true as shown by the way he nit picked mythology for his point. Also, I was confused as to where the creator of Zeitgeist got his Jesus=Sun instead of son. Is that a typo thing? You know that doesn't necessarily refer to other languages if their word for son is very different from their word for sun. Just like not all bacteria is harmful to the human body, not all species are harmful to the planet. We just happen to have the genetics that turn us from a beneficial part of the environment to a very harmful leech. We're not even smart "bacteria" because we don't realize at this rate we're screwing ourselves too. I know you're not a red stater. You're a libertarian from what I can see. Trouble with this is money, people want the cheapest way to get energy regardless of the consequences. Whilst most want green everything now many of the biggest and most influential nations/co operations/people want to look after their finances first before they will worry about the condition of the planet. The only way this will change is the demand from the people grows, IE we put pressure on governments to change, turn to green companies for our energy, food etc and lose this unwillingness to allow green technologies into our areas such as wind farms (people object to them in their area in the UK), GM (yes it is a good thing) as well as all reducing our energy use. Fortunately things are moving in the right direction but another big push is needed to really get things moving IMO.
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