Bacchus Posted June 1, 2004 Report Posted June 1, 2004 that benefit from the arms/weapons industry in USA is 10 403 billion $ and that USA alone holds 40.3% of the world weapon market. thoughts? p.s.: apart from GG USA i mean.
Yupa Posted June 1, 2004 Report Posted June 1, 2004 anyone that profits from making weapons is a little -*BAD WORD*-ing weasel - come over to my house and I'll beat the -*BAD WORD*- out of you
»nintendo64 Posted June 1, 2004 Report Posted June 1, 2004 Bacchus, Military engineers have to eat too . -nintendo64
Tascar Posted June 1, 2004 Report Posted June 1, 2004 First off....only a handful of companies in the US benefit from this. I mean lets face it, if you sell tomatoes for a living, you won't benefit from weapon sales. Also, the over-stock of Russian military equipment from the cold war is what finds its way into hands of terrorists. There's your 60% my finger pointing friend.
Trigger Happy Posted June 1, 2004 Report Posted June 1, 2004 Agreed, I mean you can't expect someone to destroy something the built, even if it is something for war. Its not like we go out to the corner of Time Square and sell Colts and Ak's like they were "Discounted" Oakles. We sell them to our "Friendly" Nations to get things to benefit us and what they do with them .. mehhh we can't really tag the guns like that, would be a bit impossible.
Bacchus Posted June 1, 2004 Author Report Posted June 1, 2004 hum...-*BAD WORD*-O?! 10 403 000 000 000$$ weapon market...and you don't find it the least appaling that USA is either waging war or being criticized as militaristic? 40.3% of total world arms market and you compare that to SELLING TOMATOES!!?? i'm not pointing fingers just wondering WTF are doing with all those weapons. And USA is STILL looking for imaginary WMD!! sell them to firendly nations? Whose nations might that be he? you gave some to Iraq, some to Iran, some to "certain" rebels who, btw, blew 2 towers. Still, you proceed w/ same old bs that you'Re helping the world....wow, gg propagnada.
Trigger Happy Posted June 1, 2004 Report Posted June 1, 2004 They are building Gundams, and I will be one of there super-human test Pilots. You may call me, Brittany. And yes, in case you where wondering, thats a manly Brittany. EITHER WAY, the Strongest Armed Forces is going to be accused of being militaristic. To be militaristic, is to put significant importance on being militarily preparded for the worst. They expect me to feel bad about being prepard? We only interfer to attempt to help, given we might hope to gain something from "helping" but who doesn't want to gain things when there !@#$%^&*istance is rendered. I mean when is the last time we actually fliped up the Cross and Marched for Christ through Europe, or when we Gathered a Army that inflicted Genocide on a perticular set of religions and/or races. Oh sorry must have missed that on CNN, turned it off after the Kobe Rape section. What are we doing? Well logically we are trying to gain alliances, by doing this we trade some weapons, why do this? Because it makes them like us more, and makes us more powerful, becauase the people that like us are stronger. Once again its not like we're going to Iraq and asking them if they want to buy a hobby kit nuke, while slapping them on the but "You can do it Saddam!" hahha Ok Ok I'm done being mean for now, and once again I can't spell
»nintendo64 Posted June 1, 2004 Report Posted June 1, 2004 There are so many things, YOUR COUNTRY has done, you seem to not know. USA has funded Death Squads (mob-like causing death) in countries such as El Salvador. It has put Dictators, the same thing, they're fighting claiming installing a democracy, that's just a big lie. Let's bring out Historic Facts to back the arguements. My point: Of course the USA has 40% of Weapons sells, it earn a lot of money by selling them to plenty rebels creating unstabilities in many countries. Here are a few for mine: http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa01.html -nintendo64
Dr Brain Posted June 1, 2004 Report Posted June 1, 2004 This just in! The USA has % of the world's diaper market! OMG! The horror! We're the reason behind why babys poop! Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Get a grip man, you're going insane with hate.
Trigger Happy Posted June 1, 2004 Report Posted June 1, 2004 We only interfer to attempt to help, given we might hope to gain something from "helping" but who doesn't want to gain things when there !@#$%^&*istance is rendered. Death Squads eh? Well I suppose thats just a matter of perspective. I'm sure to the Brittish our Covert Rebel like actions during the Revolution where brutal? But I suppose that isn't enough because you are going to throw some third hand babby killing picture at me. Look, war is war, there is nothing pretty about war, We choose to back those who will help out our causes and our American future. If you are of another nation, and get in our way of life and the well being of us or our allies, then sorry but you are in the way of the biggest train in the world. When the train is coming you either get off the track or get smashed like a bug. If the current government isn't that which is adventagous to our own, then why would we support them? I mean I'm not saying we should just go on a World Domination trip, but if the situation arises to gain something from supporting another group, why not? I ALSO understand that this is the same resaon we have rebel groups in American being supported by other countries. BUT this is why I say, hit the -*BAD WORD*- before she stabs you. Also the day you find the Fifth Element or perfect being you let me know, for countries are results of mankinds creation, and therefor always flawed. We all make mistakes, even at a countries level.
»nintendo64 Posted June 1, 2004 Report Posted June 1, 2004 I show historical facts, to back my arguements, yet you support your arguements with some excuse about not being perfect, and man made goverments blabbering... We all know that already, The point still stands. Back your arguements with something with substance, please. ah also Look, war is war, there is nothing pretty about war, We choose to back those who will help out our causes and our American future. If you are of another nation, and get in our way of life and the well being of us or our allies, then sorry but you are in the way of the biggest train in the world. When the train is coming you either get off the track or get smashed like a bug.Exactly that way of thinking and acting, it's what made USA in the past, present, and probably in the future, one of the most hated nations world wide. This just in! The USA has % of the world's diaper market! OMG! The horror! We're the reason behind why babys poop! Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Get a grip man, you're going insane with hate.As for Dr. Brain, I don't hate your country, i question their actions, and i see throught their lies. By the way, guns may not kill people, but giving guns to people who are willing to use them, does guarantee them using them to kill people. Note: I'm not labeling all USA citizens as evil, just that some of the actions of your country leave rather a sour taste. -nintendo64
Dav Posted June 1, 2004 Report Posted June 1, 2004 This just in! The USA has % of the world's diaper market! OMG! The horror! We're the reason behind why babys poop! Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Get a grip man, you're going insane with hate.weapons provide the mans with which meople kill people. Without wepons we would still be using our bare hands to fight wars. The US is being hippocritical in its actions against other nations with WMDs, especially as the US sold saddam his WMDs in the first place. Lets face it, america does whetever benifits itself over anyone else, it can demand that people get rid of weapons but the US will never get rid of its own and will sell them as long as it can make money from it. It wouldnt at all surprise me if the US sold wepons to the "new iraq" for "protection of its freedom"
Slowking Man Posted June 2, 2004 Report Posted June 2, 2004 Lets face it, america does whetever benifits itself over anyone else, it can demand that people get rid of weapons but the US will never get rid of its own and will sell them as long as it can make money from it.News flash! This just in! Country puts its own interests first! More at eleven! Unless you're referring to nuclear weapons, I have no idea what you're talking about when you say that we're pushing other countries to disarm. If you are referring to nuclear weapons, then you're conveniently ignoring all the disarmament pacts that the U.S. has with Russia, the world's second-biggest nuclear power. It isn't like we're just going to get rid of all our nukes tomorrow while other countries still have them, but we can attempt to stop other countries from developing them in the meantime, especially countries ruled by anti-West, authoritarian regimes.
Tascar Posted June 2, 2004 Report Posted June 2, 2004 You simply cannot claim that you don't hate the USA and that you "see thru their lies" in the same sentence. Some actions of this country leave some of it's own citizens questioning why....but have they always got all the facts? Most likely no. It appears that if things don't change for the better, our country will be dealing with some hard times. Hard times create tough choices. But if you must reflect on the general at!@#$%^&*ude of the USA, let's consider major catastrophic events: When an earthquake killed hundreds in Turkey, the USA was among the first to provide aid. When an earthquake hit Iran, we offered our help and !@#$%^&*istance. When Kuwait was invaded by Iraq, we provided protection and force for a country that couldn't defend itself. Even now, as the DR and Haiti deal with major losses from flooding, the USA is there to help first and most by dollar and number. Yet, when some terrorists destroyed the World Trade Centers killing more than 3000+ people, no one offered help, or provided !@#$%^&*istance. They laughed. Go on with your hate; kindly tell your country that the USA has decided not to help anyone anymore. We'll take our WEAPONS, our MEDICAL AID, our PROTECTION, and even your bashing neo-colonialism away..... be well.
Yupa Posted June 2, 2004 Report Posted June 2, 2004 Look, war is war, there is nothing pretty about war, We choose to back those who will help out our causes and our American future. If you are of another nation, and get in our way of life and the well being of us or our allies, then sorry but you are in the way of the biggest train in the world. When the train is coming you either get off the track or get smashed like a bug. Exactly that way of thinking and acting, it's what made USA in the past, present, and probably in the future, one of the most hated nations world wide.While I agree with you that the US is rather selfish, Nintendo, I think Trigger Happy was being more informative than defensive - it IS a bad idea to get in the way of the USA. Not supporting it, it just is.
Trigger Happy Posted June 2, 2004 Report Posted June 2, 2004 Hate and Envy are rather close my friend. Thanks SuSE for your statement was rather correct actually. Nintendo is just ranting about how the USA IS the Sole Superpower of the World, and its seems more like -*BAD WORD*-ing and winnning then anything we truly did wrong. The spotlight is on us, we aren't perfect, we're just tryin to get and keep our island with a lil' expansion if possible. I'm not making excuses or trying to defend the train, but you can't denny that thats how it is. "The Americans are second only to God in terms of strength". - Joseph PierreI just liked that quote on the Hati Regime Change section. Oh and as for your site, I mean you call that facts? Its nothing but a radical being anal but ok, thats cool, opinons are always different, Here we go. I see all these "revolutions" and I must say that I believe them all about as much as the Kennedy !@#$%^&*ination's "Magic Bullet" theory. Because, there is definatly some of it is true mixed in with a bunch of horse-*BAD WORD*-. We'll MOST of the Coup's where done because they where viewed as hostile governments or ones that would threaten our way of life. So here's a site for something tangible that has both sides, because apparently any website is some valuable evidence reglardless of its creator own opinions. http://www.balancedpolitics.org/cia_led_coup.htm ("CIA Lead") Oh and this site does a decent job of saying why we would do it to, it also has examples, it isn't quite so biased, but the fact is a coup isn't going to be pretty. http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1385/MR1385.ch3.pdf "Even if the hostile regime was not overthrown, the regime's perception of the threats posed by continued coup plotting or by a U.S. - supported rebel force would provide the United States with bargaining leverage." HMM?? We'll I'm glad we aren't fighting to protect the interests of France. "...the United States also attmpted to unseat leaders who were viewed as promoting policies threatning to U.S. interests." Oh and I just thought of something, I'm stupid for overlooking it earlier. That link you posted, maybe we should take into consideration those cute little things called WARS that plague our societies and people from time to time. I mean, hostile nations aren't something you want running around during a time of war.. suprise suprise. You also seem to ignore the fact that we aren't the only ones supporting these coup's, GIVEN we should support the most, being the only superpower. Having the most internation interests might also perhaps play a factor... If we let things escalate each time someone threatening comes into power we would end up with continious "Cold Wars" where we just built up mean bombs that where so scary, even our allies wouldn't question us, then some stupid terrorist would attack the USA and we would have to put our Bombs over Baghdad again. Look, frankly you are, speaking out of your -*BAD WORD*-. As for Dr. Brain, I don't hate your country, i question their actions, and i see throught their lies. By the way, guns may not kill people, but giving guns to people who are willing to use them, does guarantee them using them to kill people. The day I see Robocop on the news killing is the day I worry about the Guns and not about the madmen behind them. Besides that, Guns are necessarily what I'm worried about, because ours are better and the USA is better trained. Its the Sucide bombings and flying Airplans into buildings. Lies .. Heh Government can't tell the public everything.. Yahhh I gotta get back to work so I'll finish for now here.
Dr Brain Posted June 2, 2004 Report Posted June 2, 2004 As for Dr. Brain, I don't hate your country, i question their actions, and i see throught their lies.I wasn't talking about you. Guilty concience?
Tascar Posted June 2, 2004 Report Posted June 2, 2004 I see thru ur lies Dr Brain! u r an evil and vile programmer. With all the good stuff you do, I am certain that you are trying to take over the SS world! muahahahahaha! jk
Zetirix Posted June 2, 2004 Report Posted June 2, 2004 The day I see Robocop on the news killing is the day I worry about the Guns and not about the madmen behind them.Memory check. I remember a madman, wearing... 3 inch steel plating I think it was... with an !@#$%^&*ult rifle... in a small town... killing about... 6 cops was it? Our guns are better, and they're better at getting in the wrong hands. Either by man, or country. Does anyone even know "when" those WMDs were sold to Iraq? The things about friends and allies, is there's always backstabbing when opportunity arises.
Trigger Happy Posted June 2, 2004 Report Posted June 2, 2004 The things about friends and allies, is there's always backstabbing when opportunity arises. Agreed. And the Robocop thing wasn't seroius obvoiusly. But in the sense I was talking about is actual war, not a madman or a single few terrorists. But real wars between armies, ours guns are better and better trained. But 3 or whatever guys with guns can kill 6 cops, but 1 guy with a bad hair day on a airplane can run it into a tower.
»nintendo64 Posted June 2, 2004 Report Posted June 2, 2004 If you want you can ignore that site, and call it just an opinion, but you forget, i am from the Dominican Republic, and i got relatives who lived throught USA invasions and told about the atrocities they did, and what they actually protected. About what SuSe said, not to be an ingrate, but who called for your aid? AID it's like a gift, but USA gives it to force a nation to do as they say. I believe many countries will be happier if they actually took their AID and whatever they offer elsewhere, we don't need not intervention of our policies. Of course Free Trade will always be open. You got to remember we live in a world where you have to import as well as export. There's some saying, that the Country who is triumphant over another, will have their version of the truth, and of course one that glorifies itself. I've no doubt most USA Citizens prefer to say their country could never predict what it did, even when CIA classified reports has been opened to the public containing their plans of funding guerillas, coups, war, dictators, etc... Well, we live in a "survival of the fittest" society, so i guess barbarism will never dissappear as long as people defend such actions. USA a train in the way of anyone's actions that don't work with their interest, so you have to comply or you're -*BAD WORD*-ed, even the UN has to comply... Also Note, A Country's Interest not necessarily represents most people's interest in that country. -nintendo64
Dav Posted June 2, 2004 Report Posted June 2, 2004 Lets face it, america does whetever benifits itself over anyone else, it can demand that people get rid of weapons but the US will never get rid of its own and will sell them as long as it can make money from it.News flash! This just in! Country puts its own interests first! More at eleven! Unless you're referring to nuclear weapons, I have no idea what you're talking about when you say that we're pushing other countries to disarm. If you are referring to nuclear weapons, then you're conveniently ignoring all the disarmament pacts that the U.S. has with Russia, the world's second-biggest nuclear power. It isn't like we're just going to get rid of all our nukes tomorrow while other countries still have them, but we can attempt to stop other countries from developing them in the meantime, especially countries ruled by anti-West, authoritarian regimes. Lets add biological and chmical wepond to that to begin with. now you say the the US has a huge stockpile of necular weapons which are a WMD whilst preventing other nations having WMDs. This is precisly what i mean by the US being hippocritical.
Tascar Posted June 2, 2004 Report Posted June 2, 2004 Nuclear capabilities are not only within the US. Most US allies have active nukes with ICBM capability....let's move on shall we?
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